Weapon selection - Page 3

Kall · 10-18-2008, 04:22 PM

Those items only proc off mainhand. Only procs innate to the offhand weapon (and adornments on that weapon) proc off the swing of the offhand weapon.

Ballads · 10-18-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kall

Those items only proc off mainhand. Only procs innate to the offhand weapon (and adornments on that weapon) proc off the swing of the offhand weapon.

I know, therefore the proc check of your main hand hitting and procing these item needs to be right before your secondary swings to make the most of them. Matching delays gives you that.

Uyaem · 10-19-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ballads

I know, therefore the proc check of your main hand hitting and procing these item needs to be right before your secondary swings to make the most of them. Matching delays gives you that.

In 90% of the cases, because of the proc's short duration, you will get nothing from that. And in the other 10% you get something like 10dps.
Thus, realistically speaking there is no bonus from matiching delays unless you try to time.

Alvar · 10-19-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Khylan

Rule #1 = Don't fucking die, raiders get this down and it's a non-issue, As my RL likes to say.. I don't want to hear it.. you got dolls, you got potions, you got 8 fucking healers in the raid, you got vent you got tells, you have everything available to you to keep your ass alive.. shut the fuck up.. go tell that shit to somebody who isn't having to DPS you stupid ass heals off the mob again.. LOL sorry it tickles me to hear this sometimes. and yes I die sometimes to..

Rule #2 - don't run outa range of your bard, raiders figure this out and it's a non-issue. Any raider out of the range of thier bard during a fight is doing some stupid shit like clicking anyway so who cares if they lose the buff

Just my 2 cents on using Marrow's to DPs with...

Well what Paikis said is true and what you said in 2. is just angry bs, however 1 is right and raiders shouldn't die especially in mt group. It's probably because you didn't test it and don't understand how often in zones you can be out of range of your bard and not just you but everyone in your group will have to pretty much hump the bard and af on him for the whole instance to keep the buff up for everyone without him having to recast it like every 3 mins. Especially if bard is raid leader or looter and especially in big zones like VP and SoH. In VP it's even worse cause bards as scouts need to be behind mobs and half of em have aoe knockbacks so at least MT will get out of range=loose 5% reuse buff, but mainly you just get out of range when you run to next pull spot. Or for example he gets ogre debuff on Byzola=out of range etc.

I myself ask for bard to recst buff like every 5 mins or maybe even more often and it's a PITA. If your bard recasting it often then it's ok but if he's lazy etc then it becomes a question of improving his own damage ( by using another weapon) vs helping group damage/heals/utility. So if you don't mind equipping marow's song and recasting buff/equipping better for damage weapon every 3 mins then it's good but very annoying so you better wear marrows song all the time. And most weapins won't give you that much of increase exept Tangrin weapon.

Gulpen · 10-20-2008, 12:56 AM

Love it when mage bitches tell me what weapon to wear.

Paikis · 10-20-2008, 02:21 PM

The mage bitch is right. Get back in your hole. The effective range on the buff is just too low to swap the weapon out and expect the bonus to effect anyone in your group for more than 1 or 2 fights. Sure, it'll stay up on you, but I'd be willing to bet that your entire group would have the un-enhanced buff on them within 4 mobs.

How much DPS do you lose by unequipping the weapon? How much DPS does your group lose by losing the bonus-buff?

It's not rocket science, work it out.

Ogelia · 10-20-2008, 02:43 PM

i have only one thig for wearing marrow, you are 1st time buffer and 2nd time Dps, and why not use this weapon if make it other dps in gorup happy and you lost little % from your crap dps agains pure dps char which get slittle boost and of cours its only game .-)

Ballads · 10-25-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Uyaem

In 90% of the cases, because of the proc's short duration, you will get nothing from that. And in the other 10% you get something like 10dps.
Thus, realistically speaking there is no bonus from matiching delays unless you try to time.

Its easy to see on ACT by looking at your off hand numbers if you have Buff proc equipment.Use a pierce 3.5 then use a 4.0 on the same mobs in your off hand with you epic in main. Matching delays gets you increased Crit %s from items such as Annihilators hoop or Avatar Crit bps. It gets you increased double attack %s from circle of necrosis, Ring of tunarian might, and Trooper scale boots as well as increased Dps from crafted rings(tho hard to parse.) Its the proc check always being instantly right before the off hand hit.

True dpsing parses no auto attack/afk on same/similar mob with same/similar casting orders, check zone wides with similar make ups. The numbers are there,see it for yourself. You can tell me it shouldn't work that way or you cant find the logic/math behind it all you want, but what im seeing is it does effect it in some way.