Thelounge

Right, but those are long cast time buffs, they would make them a little more instaneous, at least I would hope.

Also, I usually only throw up hate debuff/aria/brias when stuff goes down from EH mobs, which doesn't take that long.

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Ishbu

What would I like to see done for Troubs?

How about a good one with good playtimes apping to my damn guild. Are there any troubs like that left out there even? Its not like we require much, just decent troub dps, prescion and jesters like a mother fucker, bladedance when told, and spec for DKTM as well.

But seriously, troubs need an AA that does the opposite of what many healer classes got, and that is to change their combat arts into spells. You are already completely spell oriented with aria and prescion, it only makes sense to me.

Then again I dont play a troub and maybe you all think that is a horrible idea.


EDIT - The more I think about this, the better the idea sounds. They could really make some good troubadour class gear in the future with massive spell attack procs and the like.

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Slamdar

They are for the most part all guilded I think. =/

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Thelounge

I actually think that it is a great idea. It would also address most issues above, like where sandra's is useless, and up our dps at the same time.

I noticed last night on a dirge debuff master that was being sold in /raid channel. Their debuff has a dmg amount attached to it, while ours is a crappy power drain, or a snare (which doesn't work on epics of course). So many things that can be addressed but usually get half assed look overs. I do not want to be flavor of the month by any means, I still would like to play an underpowered/unestimated class. I just would like to be half decent in the process.

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Ballads

Dont you go recruiting on my forums you bastard !!!
Your other idea kinda goes with what ive been getting at for a while. Its the next logical step from lu13. Allow troubs to become all caster and caster buffing. I dont want to see this done with aa because that will just lead to everyone coping the same build why being forced to neglect any other good ability's. Just like the way all raiding troubs are forced to go str & wis lines. I'd also like for this troubador revamp to not just stop with turning are CA's into spells but also to clean up are buffs and make them more caster and less melee. Change haste to casting speed, change quirins from hp regen to healing pulse 200, change defense to a power return proc on hostile spells. Basicly take any buff that is for melee or tanking and turn into a buff for either a mage or a preist.

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Ranthor

So ya, Toubs could use something but why ask for dps I could care less if I only did 90dps as long as my buffs help my group double thier dps.... As it is now that is hardly the case. I am a jesters,procs bot and recasts are too damn long on both of them. Shorten them by 1/2 and I'ma happy camper.

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Thelounge

Jesters cap is fast enough imo. I have noticed though it doesn't seem to effect spells resuse timers more than one time. I mean if I cast it twice on myself it isn't shortened by 75% or whatever (dependent upon AAs, but if you do not have enhance JC, all I have to say is idioto). It only seems to take it to 30 mins and then lowers it no more. Should go to ~14 mins after buffing yourself the second time, then ~6 mins after another shot, but I haven't been able to do this on myself.

Also, I think we should at least contribute to 30-35% of a casters zonewide from buffs. However, we have shitty + to melee type things, I mean really wtf do we need ot buff defense for, or health even (both semi decent for soloing, but who cares about that this game is built around grouping/raiding utility).

I think that they should turn Sandra's into a mana feed, add the dmg from sandra's to lore's/guviena's. They should also make all of our attacks = spells except for ranged and the stealth attack.

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Exocia

hmm i know I'm a newb compared to some of you other guys, but Jesters has a 2 min recast thing on it (unless its been changed over night).. you can't cast it twice on yourself or anyone else that has gotten it.. you have to wait 2 minutes and its only a 30 second duration.. so you wouldn't see a 75% reduction.... plus with enanched AA's its 50% reduction on re-cast (going from memeory here, i'll check when i get home)....

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Right but if you cast it on yourself twice, should be ~75% less on the recast time, the first time it would take it down 50. So say you have a 1 hour recast, once would = 30 mins, 2 mins later (27 mins and some seconds left) you cast it again which should take you down to ~13 mins which would be ~75% total reduction on the recast timer.

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Dogmae

Have you ever used Jester's? It works only on skills you use while you have the buff up.

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