"Casting PoTM Lowers Our DPS" - Page 2

Rampagious · 06-02-2007, 08:06 PM

I hate PotM so much.

Dants · 06-02-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ballads

Lets break this down a little. You only lose 150-250 dps ? Get better weapons i lose about 500-600 dps not auto attacking. Maybe even more. Casting order? you can't make up for that besides my casting order is tight and my macro letting my group know its up also cast jc on me. I do not use potm single target. 3+ yes, 2 maybe depends on what i know their hps to be. My guild chain pulls every zone. It is more of a challenge to make sure its up for ever AE encounter then try to squeez maybe 100-200 dps group wide single target. Most names start ae at the begging so it's cast there you cant mean those.

Ok, my weapons may not be great but they're not bad either. I use Thirneg's Thorn and the Ancient Scimitar of Wounding which both are decent. I can parse easily 1100-1200 on single targets in EH with PoTM active for 30 seconds. So you're saying with your godly GDH and Sabre, you can parse 1800-2k on single targets, yeah fucking right.

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The only way i could imagain using potm single target is if your one of those guilds that takes 2 minutes after each trash pull. Other wise you would be better off timing it for encounters where it will be most effective. You might lose casting it 2-3 times on the average zone but you will make more of it when its up.

I've been raiding with Dissolution for over the past month. I guarantee you we clear zones faster than you guys. I have most zones memorized and I did not say I use PoTM on singles when there is a double or triple coming up. That would be plain stupid. If you look at my PoTM MMIS breakdown post - which you obviously did if you responded 3 times to me, then you'd realize that my group parsed considerably better with PoTM then the other troub's group. This is because I used PoTM at better times and more often.

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Originally Posted by Ballads

Oh, as far as who gets the most of aria's/potm its summoners by far. 2 casters alway trumps 1. Check your parses it easy to see. Not only is 2 casters they are both spam casters. Most classes might get 3-5% from aria's where as any summoner can easily get 10%+.

No shit, did I ever not say this? You're trying to flame me for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Ballads

Fuck 3 post in a row but fuck it the more i dwell on this subject the more it pisses me off its even debated. NO DO NOT USE POTM SINGLE TARGET. Thats just dumb. It designed for AE and there are plenty of opportunities to use it. It your job as a troubador to judge when it is best to use it.
Learn every zone, every encounter, and have it up when its needed. 3+ trash groups, Begging of named encounter w/adds, When the group adds pop in named encounters, 2 group encounters with none of the above inc in the next minute 30. It is so much more about what happens next. Know you tank's how they like to pull and position. Frequent adds? try JC the other casters will live w/o it to have potm up more often. The zones and encounters are not hard to learn and there is no lack of times to use it that you would ever be forced to use it single target unless as mentioned before your guild takes incredibly long stops after each pull.

This old shit and i thought any troubador still playing woulda learned this a long time ago.

This post is a goldmine. I didn't say anything to even warrant this type of response from you. You say this:

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NO DO NOT USE POTM SINGLE TARGET. Thats just dumb. It designed for AE and there are plenty of opportunities to use it.

This is completely fucking retarded. So you're saying in EH on the 3rd floor you'll go over 30-45 minutes without using PoTM. GG Ballads, why not just go afk and put autoattack on because you'll parse so high with your godly weapons which account for 600-800 dps on encounters - which I might add with that claim would make up ~40% of your damage breakdown considering your 1400 PHH parse you posted. I'm sure your mages love you for this.

Show some fucking respect next time. My guild's currently above yours last time I checked.

Ballads · 06-03-2007, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dants

Ok, my weapons may not be great but they're not bad either. I use Thirneg's Thorn and the Ancient Scimitar of Wounding which both are decent. I can parse easily 1100-1200 on single targets in EH with PoTM active for 30 seconds. So you're saying with your godly GDH and Sabre, you can parse 1800-2k on single targets, yeah fucking right.

I've been raiding with Dissolution for over the past month. I guarantee you we clear zones faster than you guys. I have most zones memorized and I did not say I use PoTM on singles when there is a double or triple coming up. That would be plain stupid. If you look at my PoTM MMIS breakdown post - which you obviously did if you responded 3 times to me, then you'd realize that my group parsed considerably better with PoTM then the other troub's group. This is because I used PoTM at better times and more often.

No shit, did I ever not say this? You're trying to flame me for no reason.

This post is a goldmine. I didn't say anything to even warrant this type of response from you. You say this:

This is completely fucking retarded. So you're saying in EH on the 3rd floor you'll go over 30-45 minutes without using PoTM. GG Ballads, why not just go afk and put autoattack on because you'll parse so high with your godly weapons which account for 600-800 dps on encounters - which I might add with that claim would make up ~40% of your damage breakdown considering your 1400 PHH parse you posted. I'm sure your mages love you for this.

Show some fucking respect next time. My guild's currently above yours last time I checked.

Hahaha hahahahaha hahahahahah hahahahahah hahahahah hahahahah fuck you and your respect. Your guild is above mine ? Since when has there even been an encounter that would even warrant a better than rank ? What have you killed we haven't ? Oh wait maybe fear . It hasn't popped since nerf and it will die when it does. I wont comment of the rumor i heard about you zerging fear to beat it because that is just a rumor right ?
Wow you raided with disso for a whole month ? Congradufuckinglations. As far as me flaming you i dont think i ever directly did that in my previous post as you stated, i attacked an idea you suggested. I will agree to disagree with you on this one , and not resort to childish ,but,but my guild is better then yours mudslinging at it lowest style agruements.

Expi · 06-03-2007, 06:51 AM

Finally the troub boards are lively again! :D

I will post some parses soon, been busy over the weekend with stupid RL shit >.<

Dants · 06-03-2007, 05:19 PM

I only flamed you and resorted to my guild > yours because of your comments implying I was some noob troub in some casual guild in the following:

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Originally Posted by Ballads

My guild chain pulls every zone. It is more of a challenge to make sure its up for ever AE encounter then try to squeez maybe 100-200 dps group wide single target. Most names start ae at the begging so it's cast there you cant mean those.

The only way i could imagain using potm single target is if your one of those guilds that takes 2 minutes after each trash pull. Other wise you would be better off timing it for encounters where it will be most effective. You might lose casting it 2-3 times on the average zone but you will make more of it when its up.

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Originally Posted by Ballads

This old shit and i thought any troubador still playing woulda learned this a long time ago.

I can live with that, we'll agree to disagree.

Rampagious · 06-03-2007, 07:29 PM

I don't even see how this is an arguement, I haven't played this game in like 5 months and can still answer this question. Yes, on any encounter with less than 1 mob (sometimes even 2) if you have good weapons, PoM will lower your DPS. But whether the encounter has 1 mob, or 6, there is never a bad time to use PoM.* End of discussion, good bye.

*Unless you know there is a 2-3 mob encounter inc.

Ballads · 06-03-2007, 08:16 PM

We can all agree that King james will rule in Cleveland forever!!!!

Rampagious · 06-04-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ballads

We can all agree that King james will rule in Cleveland forever!!!!

FUCK YES!!! Most words of wisdom Ballads has ever spoken.

Dankshasta · 06-05-2007, 12:57 PM

I don;t really get this thread? I've talked to Expiz in game quite a few times and he is way too enamored with personal DPS for a Bard! Anyway, obviously it is retarded to use if your not in a caster group,and fighting a multiple MOB encounter with a few exceptions. Now I will tell you when it increases your DPS, nomatter what group your in, although again I must add that although I parse 900-1.5k DPS in most fights, almost any other non-healer class with the exception of a Dirge can still put out more, it's just not what we do (duh?!?)

If your so worried about your DPS in a fight, cast your POTM right before you begin your debuffs. Zander's, your AA debuff, Discante, your snare, Lore's, and even your instant cast group interupt all get the damage bonus. Cancel your AE debuffs and cast them again!! If you want to see a great personal DPS parse,(and again I have no idea why you worry about it so much) cast yor first POTM at the beginning of the fight, again this is not always the BEST course, but it will raise your personal DPS significantly. Raiding is not really a test of personal skill, it is a test of group organization, and as such, when I see a Bard parsing really high, they are usually in fantastic gear, or they are neglecting some of thier other dutys.

As far as PvP, PoTM is'nt all that hot unless you are in a raid, or a group where you can really be sure your not gonna be moving around, and youhave the casters to make it worth while.

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Dankshasta · 06-05-2007, 01:00 PM

Cleveland Native here BTW!!

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