Uyaem

Unless you're talking about group encounters that is BS.
Either that, or PvP works significantly different.

Avaela

here's a parse i got from eh 3rd floor the other day, it's really the only parse i have atm where I was there 99% of the time or didn't have problems with act. for most fights i start with potm and jester's and depending on the length of the fight other potms whenever it's up. Primary: Thirneg's Thorn, Secondary: Dirk of Nightfall, Ranged: Shit Legy Bow



There really shouldn't be any discussion about potm lowering personal dps unless you're making a suggestion to the devs to take out the daze and/or root part of the spell. We're really here to increase the group's dps and no bard should be thinking more about increasing their own dps by decreasing the group's.

Ballads

So ya, you had synergism in this parse. You lowered a group/raid members dps by taking that. I know you didn't have any other single target buffs because that may take away from raid dps as tho conslots could be spent on other group or raid members. Do you only bid on troubador only or rotting loot ? Because you dont wanna take an equipment away from another class which might lower there dps.

Not the same you say, fuck if its not. Its all about how far you wanna take it. Most of the examples ive seen here are from third floor eh. I take it you failed the event to get rid of trees.That is a shit load of single target encounters, and only a handful of groups. It is also some of the most boring shit ever and takes no skill to clear. I'd like to see a more mixed zone, where a more balanced ratio of single and groups can be found. Show me a parse where there is a chance of the every encounter potm caster can have it not up for a group because they blew it on a single. Show me a parse where the troubador would actually have to use his head instead of sitting there in the same spot killing near 0 ability mobs.

Wanna have fun and it actually matter when you cast potm. Go fight an avatar. Would you use potm every add or only the group adds ? Adds are dead do you cast it when dpsing the avatar ? I like to cast jc every potm sure but i rarely get to because i get 2-3 tells asking for it. Wanna help your raid dps? Be a jc master that takes skill. No i dont mean make a macro to auto cast it every 25s i mean casting on ppl when they need it or ask you for it.

Dankshasta

Please explain your point, I'm interested.

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Expi

I care about it so much, because, if everyone dps's that little bit harder, shit dies so much more faster.

I have 4 main jobs on raids right, Jesters, Potm, Grp Buffs, Debuffs (Most other bards do discante anyways). Am I just gonna sit there and do those 3 jobs all raid? FUCK NO! Im gonna do what ever i can to not only up my own dps but the raids, and that means working on my personal and self dps.

Dude, ive talked to you in length, and all ive talked to you about is items, I raid for my shit, and im definatley gonna spend points on decent weapons and shit like that. No point doing a half asssed job on a raid, so if you pull 500-600dps as a troub, you fucking either suck at your class, or you arent trying / willing to be the best you can.

Expi

Also Dank, that is fucking BS!. You cant tell me that 1 potm proc for 400dmg beats 1 Cast of Perfect Shrill for 2k+ Damage + 400 of POTM. You have Elis, Shrill, and Steal. Youre not doing max dps if you cast POTM and click Lores Zanders, Discante, Demoralizing on and off on a single target mob, if thats what you meant.

Dankshasta

If your POTM your spamming your spells, right? Shrill, and the others DO HAVE A COOL DOWN LAST TIME I CHECKED! hey I did'nt recommend it but by clicking on your group debuffs,and then cancelling them it is gonna give you 4 or 5 extra AOE hits with Precise note. How hard is that to figure out? Look just try it, I'm assuming you have you hot bars set up in a way that facilitates raid usage, so cast your shrill,eli's etc. cast your debuffs, but click them off immediately, then click everything again as it comes up. Remember even your against 4 MOBS if you are POTM every encounter wide hostile spell is gonna proc precise note, and maybe your aria's. It does'nt take a mathematics major to see, that your most effective use of casting times in these situations (if you just want big parse) are your AOE spells in multimob encounters, and of course your bread and butter DPS spells. I know you've only been doing end game bard for a short time now, but it's pretty much a given that your using shrill, and Eli's , LoL!! Your example is flawed in that Perfect shrill cannot be cast over, and over, and over, it does have a cool down. Shrill is our best DPS sure of course, and Eli's is nice too, but the Steal line for example, is gonna be borderline when your looking for dps against multiple mobs, compared with your AOEs, while POTMing. Basic shit dude.


If you read my post and somehow thought I was saying don't cast Shrill, then your a fucking moron. Also everytime you send me an ingame tell, or even something on MSmsgr it is like, "hey I parsed 1.2 k, or hey I hit 1.4 K" I don't have much response, becuz it means nothing to me, you don't tell me what encounter, what zone, nothing but your parse?!? Frankly i don't really care, so I never ask where or how.
Now I know your just like 15 or whatever,so I'm not busting your chops, BUT your alittle too competitive with this Troub thing, when you beat me, talk your smack, but right now I got all the bragging rights, cuz I've killed you solo several times,and you've yet to get me, and probably never will. So turn down your little adolescent hormones and remember I still own you Beat me once solo, and I don't care how you do it, but let me see you standing over my dead body, and then we'll talk.

KKBYETHNX!!!

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Avaela

Did I say somethin to piss you off or what? Seemed like a bit of a bitchy response to me =\

Avaela

where's the damn edit button? =\
ok when I said "We're really here to increase the group's dps and no bard should be thinking more about increasing their own dps by decreasing the group's." I was talking about casting or not casting potm and whatever other casting/buffing patterns you can think of. As far as loot goes I'll use my dkp on whatever I wanna use it on.

Ballads

No thats just me and this topic. With the exception of 3rd floor eh and a few named encounters there just is no time i would cast potm single target. I would always save it for the group coming next. Do i maybe miss an opportunity to cast it because of that? Yes, but it is always up when it has the most effect. In early t7 and t6 when it was more efficient i would cast it more often single target.

All of you on the fence troubs just bother the shit out of me. "I'm just here to buff the group better, screw my own dps, but ill take haste or syn from the illusionist plz." That makes no fucking sense. You need find that balance of improving your group/raid and your own dps. Maybe im to far one way but some of you definitely to far the other. Do you wanna play a buff bot? Or do you wanna play a troubador. Check out rampagious's forum title. Ya he copped out, but we had some of the same views on what are class is and should be. I have 3 dirges and 1 troubador in my guild who i try to best on every single parse.(which thanks to broken ass arrows that never miss its hard as fuck.Thanks soe for creating the diranger) Illusionist are a support class too ,but i bet they all take a syn for themselves even tho they may have 4 melee wanting haste and a couple "dps casters" wanting syn.

Its not do i cast potm , but am i sure this the best time to cast it? Take an easy zone like HOS. Do you cast Potm on the first group or the second ? 2 back to back group encounters where even with jc you cant have it up for both and a whole zone ahead of you.