Expi

A good friend of mind just told me that one of the bards in their guild, doesnt cast POTM because it lower's their DPS.

Is it Just me or is POTM one of our most powerful spells, and can increase our dps nicely if used properly, not to mention the groups?..

Its obvious it dazes you, however ranged attacks are not affected by this, so if you stand at the sweet spot between melee and ranged, you can actually use your melee CA's, ranged auto attack, and spam your spells, who would have thought!?

Also, if casted on the pull, you lose nothing but your use of auto attack, which is overcome by the ranged auto attack.

Whats your thoughts on this? Seems to be a lot of silly troubs out there.. :s

Also, Illuminator made a post on the forums called

"Exactly how powerful is Frigid Gift 5 + Iceshape?"

Can everyone here post a breakdown in a Raid Zonewide of their Group Precision of the Maestro triggers, in this format?

Class1: Dmg
Class2: Dmg
Class3: Dmg
Class4: Dmg
Class5: Dmg
Class6: Dmg
Total: Dmg

So we can see how powerful this spell really is?

Regards

Pinski

Precision does lower Personal DPS. Daze does prevent auto-attack Ranged from going off.

Does it increase overall raid DPS? Yes.

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Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

Expi

I just did some testing and it seems you're right.

Still, I didnt play a troubador for self dps :p

Balios

I only use potm to kill warlocks and use Jester's Cap to kill them faster...

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Oakshire

PoM is T6 based damage with casting times of our spells that havent really changed except from KoS+ AAs and Jester's Cap. Casting times are our weps when PoM is active.

I will agree it does lower the personal DPS of the troub, but I also have an illusionist and it increases DPS for any class that casts quickly is just rediculous...

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Dants

You cannot use your ranged autoattack while PoTM is active. That is clearly incorrect.

I'm confident a lot of troubs that complain about PoTM dazing them just don't have good casting orders when it's active. Sure it'd be nice being able to attack through it, but you shouldn't really take too large of a DPS decrease - even on single targets. For me it's about 150-250 DPS at most. For 2 mob encounters its about even and 3+ mobs you gain DPS.

MMIS - 5/31 - 21 people total

My group - 5 people:

Troub: 246501 DMG (471 hits) [98.68 EXT DPS]
Illusionist: 361757 DMG (441 hits) [144.82 EXT DPS]
Wizard: 238779 DMG (367 hits) [95.59 EXT DPS]
Brigand: 7938 DMG (15 hits) [3.18 EXT DPS]
Inquisitor: 35420 DMG (62 hits) [14.18 EXT DPS]

Total: 890395 DMG (1356 hits) [356.45 EXT DPS]

Other Troub's group - 5 people:

Troub: 158245 DMG (322 hits) [63.35 EXT DPS]
Wizard: 104248 DMG (155 hits) [41.73 EXT DPS]
Warlock: 130470 DMG (210 hits) [52.23 EXT DPS]
Assassin: 3183 DMG (5 hits) [1.27 EXT DPS]
Fury: 69872 DMG (107 hits) [27.97 EXT DPS]

Total: 466018 DMG (799 hits) [186.55 EXT DPS]

By not casting PoTM constantly, your really screwing your Illusionist over because PoTM is affected by volatile magic and your summoners because the mage pet procs PoTM as well. It sucks our conj. wasn't there to show numbers for that class, but I'm sure summoners get the most out of PoTM.

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Expi

Aye I adressed that error. I apologize

Interesting, I will run a test on whatever we raid today.

Ballads

Lets break this down a little. You only lose 150-250 dps ? Get better weapons i lose about 500-600 dps not auto attacking. Maybe even more. Casting order? you can't make up for that besides my casting order is tight and my macro letting my group know its up also cast jc on me. I do not use potm single target. 3+ yes, 2 maybe depends on what i know their hps to be. My guild chain pulls every zone. It is more of a challenge to make sure its up for ever AE encounter then try to squeez maybe 100-200 dps group wide single target. Most names start ae at the begging so it's cast there you cant mean those.

The only way i could imagain using potm single target is if your one of those guilds that takes 2 minutes after each trash pull. Other wise you would be better off timing it for encounters where it will be most effective. You might lose casting it 2-3 times on the average zone but you will make more of it when its up.

Ballads

Oh, as far as who gets the most of aria's/potm its summoners by far. 2 casters alway trumps 1. Check your parses it easy to see. Not only is 2 casters they are both spam casters. Most classes might get 3-5% from aria's where as any summoner can easily get 10%+.

Ballads

Fuck 3 post in a row but fuck it the more i dwell on this subject the more it pisses me off its even debated. NO DO NOT USE POTM SINGLE TARGET. Thats just dumb. It designed for AE and there are plenty of opportunities to use it. It your job as a troubador to judge when it is best to use it.
Learn every zone, every encounter, and have it up when its needed. 3+ trash groups, Begging of named encounter w/adds, When the group adds pop in named encounters, 2 group encounters with none of the above inc in the next minute 30. It is so much more about what happens next. Know you tank's how they like to pull and position. Frequent adds? try JC the other casters will live w/o it to have potm up more often. The zones and encounters are not hard to learn and there is no lack of times to use it that you would ever be forced to use it single target unless as mentioned before your guild takes incredibly long stops after each pull.

This old shit and i thought any troubador still playing woulda learned this a long time ago.