Rampagious

Being an alt or new doesn't change the fact that you are terrible. There is no hard class to play in EQ2, ESPECIALLY a troubador for DPS...you just fucking hit everything when its up...

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Avaela

have my babies rampagious

Uyaem

This is kind of true, and kind of BS at the same time.
It's np to put out the same numbers over and over again by just smashing buttons, cast order doesn't mean much for us.
However you will reach a limit really soon, and to make those numbers you put out big you eventually need a couple of buffs from the group and/or proc gear.

Blanka

I find on my troub if I want to dps I can but I'd rather throw all the debuffs up and then dps which really hurts. I understand they don't help much but neither does the difference between 700 or 1k dps.

Rampagious

YES! And to whateverthefuckyournameisfromXanadu -- what you SHOULD do, is delete your post and just edit it to say *obvious as fucking shit statement here*

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Uyaem

How about copy/paste? It's five letters, you can do it!
Since my statement is so fucking obvious, how come you need to tell people they suck when they just as well might not have a single proc item?
Quit carrying your head in the clouds and learn to accept the fact that people do not start with good gear and fresh 70 raiding Troubs might struggle to reach 800.
Does that automatically mean they suck? Or could it also be that they lack experience/masters/gear?

Now why do I care about this? Cause I started out in the 500s myself, had shitty groups, no buffs, close to no masters and legendary gear at best. Over the past months I managed to double that ZW on a regular basis. Is that the top already? No. Does that mean I should have given up on day one because some random guy (formerly) from a top guild told me to quit? Fuck no!

EDIT: spelling errors

Rampagious

I guess I can see that and it makes sense, I just started raiding on my troub in t5 when troub DPS wasn't even really possible, and I always had good gear from then on out. But I still don't see how you only do 500 dps, I seriously almost did that auto attacking, there is no reason spamming you spells, even WITHOUT procs/fabled weapons, you can't do at least 800.

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Yggdrasil

Having a fully mastered troub and dirge, I am quite fond of bards in general. Due to the current/recent needs of my guild, I have been required to play my dirge more than any of my other toons and am quite surprised by the disparity between bard classes.

CoB is a fucking amazing spell. Some call it overpowered, but everyone agrees that it's awesome. The same can be said for PotM. Where I see a huge imbalance is that AAs allow for 17 sec of CoB, haste, 100% procs, and that allows everyone in the group including the dirge to go AFK for 17 sec and still do a nice bit of DPS. With the Ring of the Four Winds and 3 pieces of dirge gear, I have the recast down to around 30 sec, so it's up half of the time with my current gear.

On the other hand, PotM is up far less and removes all auto attack damage. After a few discussions with Ballads and a few others, I figured out a nice casting order and setup to get decent DPS. However, short of there being a large encounter for PotM, I actually find that I lose personal DPS with it up due to the imbalance of buffing for melee vs. buffing for casting.

Surely, all of that has been covered on numerous occasions. Another source of frustration is the rampant power costs of debuffing, which forced me to use two phantom handles in an effort to stay in power while casting instead of just debuffing and standing there with autoattack on for the next minute. Dirges at least can reduce the power cost of their debuffs, increase the duration, and cut down on the casting time, whereas I feel like troubs kind of got the shaft for debuff upgrades.

And like others have said, I have to agree that playing a bard tends to be far less interesting than other classes. I went from a necro main for 2 years to a fury main and now am playing bards all of the time to fill the needs of whichever raid and can honestly say that, while I love playing my bards, it can become rather uninteresting by comparison. Chanters have at least a handful of temporary abilities and such that keep things more interesting than debuff, turn autoattack on, and come back a minute later. Dirges have rezzing, healing, and like most, my dirge is spec'd for STA and WIS now so I have an extra active ability in Lend Shielding. As a troub, I have PotM and JC.

I feel honestly as though troubs have been made to be the ultimate AFK buff bot and would really, really love to see us having a more active role in raids. More personal DPS is always a nice distraction, but bards are supposed to be buffing classes and a more active role in raids would surely make the class a lot more interesting. If that were the case, surely more people would play them.

Slamdar

I remember back in the day when troubadors were in the MT grp, and buffing drew huge agro. Heck, debuffs even took concentration slots back then if i remember correctly.

With adept III spells and crappy legendary/1-2 relic pieces back in early KoS I did ~700-800 dps just spamming stuff so ramp is right... Even with shitty gear, you could be doing more.

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Slamdar - 80 Troubador

Uyaem

I can honestly say that in a mage only group without a fury I rarely got above 700 even on trash (late KoS, around October - then again I haven't seriously raided before ).

When switching guilds my dps (zonewide) went up by 150-200, just like that. I didn't change anything, the group setup was roughly the same, I cannot remember what buffs I had, (only started to really pay attention back then). I certainly did not do that by myself.
However I find that other thread quite intriguing, when they start talking about relative DPS (personal dps in relation to raid DPS) and I have to say it seems to be quite adequate.

All I meant to say is: you can't just label a person as being shitty for a rough estimate of their DPS. Maybe 400-600 means he had 350 STR/INT/piercing, fighting orange cons - then I'd say good job, maybe it means 600 STR/INT with agitate, ember seed, phoenixblade, then I'd call him a marvel and ask if he jousts out just for fun to keep his dps low .
While these forums is all about flaming, just the general attidude of "you do 5% less dps of what I do, so you clearly suck and should quit" is going on my tits. Flame people if you know they are bad or willingly doing stupid things, not if there's only the remote chance.

.... you're gonna call me carebear now, aren't you