The DPS question - Page 5

Ballads · 07-23-2007, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

You're dumb. The "ancient chart" put utility classs as T3 dps.

As for who offers the best utility, personally it's Dirge, Troubador, Illusionist, Coercer. Just because the increase of a Summoner's DPS, or the likely hood of a Sorceror not pulling aggro is just that much larger with a Troubador.

Anyway, the likely hood of Illusionist's DPS getting nerfed, is about as likely as Crowd Control being useful on raids again. Wait a second, did I just say never?

I guess, I think the big reason why Bards do too little personal dps, is because their buffs don't get added back to them. Remember when Precision added DPS solely to the Troubador? They raped the living fuck out of parses when it worked that way. I think all that needs to be done, is somebody creates a parser that splits up the DPS created by procs and everything else and assigns it to the right person to see how much actual DPS people are doing. But alas, that's nearly impossible for the non-procs. But then again, I do think Troubador DPS should be increased. Another 300-400 would bring them more in-line with Illusionists.

Remember we also never lived through POTM duration. I guess you would also have to have a parse that calculated how much debuffs added. But why stop there, let see how much dps healing after an ae so group doesn't die adds. lets see how much dps cures add why we are at it. Clearly if a tank rescues a mob off a caster it adds a few hundred dps do we count that for them or the caster ? So tired of everyone saying what we add balances are lack luster dps. Utility is seperate from personal dps.

I have an idea that allows you to balance are dps directly with are utility. Take away all buffs from every other class and create a 5th archetype for chanters and bards. Split every classes buffs among us and give us the ability to run enough of them. Then you all can argue we add something nobody else does and are dps should be lowered.

Thelounge · 07-23-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Goozmania

Fae Pyre adds a nice 40dps, Primal Spirit + Vim supposedly adds about 7-12% base damage for the mages; Yet they don't even want me in the group, they want a precious Templar.

Blessings = wtf pwned for the furies. I have been in guilds with furies who think they are DPS and don't give me/caster a buff, let a wizzy die so they can keep up or do 100-200 more dps than me on a parse. I have a bad taste left in my mouth from furies (please god let them not be manginas).

to Ballads, I rather see them make one chanter class and one bard class, giving them a combination of all song choices/spell choices between the two. This will not only help the faltering raid population and fill up those missing bard slots (can move one to MT group and have another switch songs to whatever group they get thrown in). I was always tired of the lack of versatility that a single class has, and imo it is what hurts this game the most. Oh yea they should merge brawlers also...

Teldea · 07-24-2007, 09:51 AM

You all know class balance is not possible,
there will always be stronger classes.

One of my griefs is that a good illu would own a mediocre wizzy on a ZW
while a good troub is on par with a crappy wiz
( wish i could decide to not buff a group member

).

the passivity of the troub class is the problem,
the dehate buff should be a proc for example,
thus giving a good reason to buff the troub in return.
Where is the synergy needed in an MMO ????

As it is now you just feel like someone tagging along,like a santa claus bringing
a ton of goodies to your friends while getting nothing in return.

it's as if there is a chairman or a dev who raids with his troub
in a true raiding guild even though he can't play.