Rogoshen

I dont know how many of you folks read the official troub forums, but it seems to be full of people complaining about our low dps, and that we're boring to play.

Am i the only person who thinks both of these are completely fucking bogus?

I cant get past the fact that troubs are a support class, we buff other people - naturally our dps SHOULD be lower than the people we buff. I'd much rather see more utility added to our class (albeit in a more creative manner than passive buffs) than an increase in dps.

As it is now, any troub worth his salt can easily parse 700+ on a single target. When our aggregate damage from our buffs is taken into consideration- this almost seems like too much. And these fuckers want MORE dps?

This is tangential to my point, but it would seem that if the only feedback sony gets from its players regarding troubs is the dps nonsense - that sphere will receive the loving caress of the SOE dev stick, not our role in the game - Utility.

These support roles in the game are gimped enough. IMO there are 3 roles in this game - Healing, buffing, and dps. Blurring the lines between these roles makes the game dull and bland.

Dants

I disagree. We don't need anymore fucking utility. We have too much as it is and it's completely overpowered.

Let's face it, our utility is so uber most guilds run 4 bards in their raid, 1 per group. We have so much utility we can't even use half of it because we don't get enough conc slots.

Right now with my current AA's (STA/WIS/INT) we buff the group for:

40% deaggro
28% haste
8% spell haste
7.5% all crits
83 STR/STA
9% in-combat runspeed
+5 ranged to spells
58 in-combat power regen
45% chance to proc 250-450 damage off spells
10% melee and ranged double attack
Jester's Cap
PoTM

So for having me in the group, everyone in my group gets the above. That's not even counting all the buffs I don't run which I could potentially run like Dove Song, Elem Concerto, Arcane Diss, Quirons, etc.

What would happen if we got more utility is we'd be replacing our old utility (if we got more songs) or it's just add to the already long list of buffs we give a group.

If you want to make enhancements to the bard classes, more utility is the last thing we need. In my opinion, if you don't want to go down the route of adding more DPS to the troub class, I think we need better offensive debuffs. Demorilizing Percussional doesn't do jack shit because mobs laugh at offensive skill debuffs. Dirges run Discante because they get AA's which make it more powerful than ours. So basically we get nothing for offensive debuffs which kind of sucks. And don't mention our AA end line's as offensive debuffs, because they suck, too. Sonic Interference might as well say drains power from the troubador over time while placing a debuff icon over the mob which doesn't do anything.

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Taylen

There are 2 kinds of Troubs...troubs that go for DPS...i.e Shacalbolt on Splitpaw Server...noob....and the one's that do what they are intended to do...BUFF>



I go for the latter..i enjoy watching my mage group, go full out..fight over having Jesters Cap and stuff..and seeing them reach a record in their own DPS..as then it's like..."WOO MISHA YOU KICK ASS..YOU MADE THE ILLUSIONIST KICK THE WARLOCK/WIZZY'S ASS"...


I was raiding on Misha yesterday in ToS and Labs and i happened to ask what DPS would be good for a raiding troub...they said around the 5-700 mark..which i thought was about right..I'm still getting Misha up to standards seing as she's an alt..and Leeching money of Taylen, but i do about 400-600 DPS on raids...which i find adiquate...yes our dps is crap, yes we should be a little harder..not just someone that bangs their bongos,

If you don't like it..why do you still play a Troubby?

Uyaem

Are you seriously asking for more Troubs to quit the game? There's like a handful 70s left on my server that are not twinks, and the other ones are twinks for a reason...

My main complaint is (and since so many people don't get it I'll soon put it in my signature):
Troubadours have two active utilities, JC and PotM. So what else is there to do? Debuffs which are absolute crap if you consider the huge amount of power they cost to maintain, and DPS. That's why there's all this talk about DPS on the official forums, and here as well. It just seems like the easiest way to make the ACTIVE part of our role more meaningful. I'd also welcome short term conc free buffs, anything! We have nothing else to do than add our measly dps (I consider being there and standing around not exactly doing anything). We have no choice. Take a Fury, maybe an Inquisitor, they can outdps us or heal the crap out of people. They have the choice, they can be flexible. We cannot. Our only flexibility is to purposefully choose the passive buffs we give to the group, and if you're in a caster group you have at least 4 clear winners that you will never drop.

You think the positioning on the dps list for a Troub is fine as it is atm? Fine, then just take a look at which of our spells get an upgrade in RoK.

As of now, you cannot be a shitty Troub unless you die all the time. Our raid spot is warranted by our presence, not the player's ability. That is fucked up.

Rhymez

dunno Shacalbolt does nothing wrong when hes going to DPS
I was a Troubador long ago in KoS and tbh if u think ur job is done once buffs are up
PoM dazes u ok but then use the useless debuffs and proc pom with it , get into the mob melee what you can if casters out of Range just Jester someone else whos in Range

Bards that go for DPS are doing it right imo utility ends once buffs are casted
Troub might have it a bit harder to dps than Dirges but theyre DPS aswell

TRoubador is more like 1k+ zw dps while doing the passive buff job

luxun

I want Double attack added to our str line and no daze to potm and i'll be happy....:P

However, I want us be able to dps while being as utility. Offensive stance is must-be added to bard class cuz we're melee class. However, don't take supporting buffs away from us....

Right now with my current AA's (STA/WIS/INT) we buff the group for:

40% deaggro
28% haste
8% spell haste
7.5% all crits
83 STR/STA
9% in-combat runspeed
+5 ranged to spells
58 in-combat power regen
45% chance to proc 250-450 damage off spells
10% melee and ranged double attack
Jester's Cap
PoTM

How many AA u spend for int and sta? your guild don't need your BD?

Poofe

400 - 600 dps is criminal for a troub. Bump that shit up as it's part of your job to squeeze out every bit of dps after your buffs or debuffs are up.

JC is simple, hit the brig as much as possible, then hit the wizzie or illusionist if they're in your group.

Personal DPS is the game within the game for me. Raiding is often a bit monotonous, so anything to increase our contribution to the raid is fine by me.

Rhymez

yeha Poofe i agree the more dispatch is going the more overall dps

Slamdar

Pretty much any encounter can be beaten without bladedance. Bladedance just makes it easier.

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Dants

My current spec is:

STA 4 4 4 8
WIS 4 4 6 8 1
INT 4 1

Right now Disso has 0/4 bards STR line.

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