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Old 11-07-2009, 12:48 AM  
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:06 AM  
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Sorry, I didn't know I had to cheat and exploit in order to have a worthwhile opinion here!
It's funny you would mention cheating when you know for a fact Eno doesn't cheat. Don't judge the batch because of one rotten apple.
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:49 AM  
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It's funny you would mention cheating when you know for a fact Eno doesn't cheat. Don't judge the batch because of one rotten apple.
I don't think he was implying that although wouldn't put it past him.

BTW DQQM I wasn't saying you couldn't have an opinion, merely pointing out the fact that yours isn't worth the effort it takes to actually read it.
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Just my opinion - always has been since eno's first raid. Just because I'm not part of the cheaters club, doesn't mean I can't express my opinion!
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Sorry, I didn't know I had to cheat and exploit in order to have a worthwhile opinion here!
Still waiting for you to show causation and uninstall ACT cheater.
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:12 AM  
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Still waiting for you to show causation and uninstall ACT cheater.
Wrong again like usual - I don't even have it installed! Now go back to your padded cell - I'm sure the guards have been seaching for you!
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Wrong again like usual - I don't even have it installed! Now go back to your padded cell - I'm sure the guards have been seaching for you!
Well do your guildees use it? If so then you're a guild full of cheaters! Which makes you a cheater also!
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Well do your guildees use it? If so then you're a guild full of cheaters! Which makes you a cheater also!
I wouldn't know anything about that. So now if I am in a guild with someone who uses a clock, stopwatch, the sun or any other timing device, I am considered a cheater??? Show me where SOE says that using a timer is an exploit and where they have banned or suspended people for using timers. Next you are going to say that anyone who uses their eyes is a cheater - just to justify your own exploits and hacks.

Sibs was right - you really are insane!
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I wouldn't know anything about that. So now if I am in a guild with someone who uses a clock, stopwatch, the sun or any other timing device, I am considered a cheater??? Show me where SOE says that using a timer is an exploit and where they have banned or suspended people for using timers. Next you are going to say that anyone who uses their eyes is a cheater - just to justify your own exploits and hacks.

Sibs was right - you really are insane!
are u stupid or somthin man? act is just a timer? go on son.
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I wouldn't know anything about that. So now if I am in a guild with someone who uses a clock, stopwatch, the sun or any other timing device, I am considered a cheater??? Show me where SOE says that using a timer is an exploit and where they have banned or suspended people for using timers. Next you are going to say that anyone who uses their eyes is a cheater - just to justify your own exploits and hacks.

Sibs was right - you really are insane!
Are your guildees using a "clock," "stopwatch" or the "sun?" Or are they using a "Third party program which affects gameplay?"
It explicitly states in the EULA that you may not use third party programs which affect gameplay, read it. Quoted below.

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are u stupid or somthin man? act is just a timer? go on son.
Guess you guys missed this the first time:

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EULA

"9. You may not use any software to modify the Software to change Game play. You may not create, facilitate, host, link to or provide any other means through which the Game may be played by others, such as through server emulators. You may not decrypt or modify any data transmitted between client and server and you may not use, post, host or distribute macros, "bots" or other programs which would allow unattended game play or which otherwise impact game play. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. Except in connection with Live Gamer Exchange and subject to all of the provisions of the Live Gamer Terms of Service, you may not buy, sell or auction (or host or facilitate the ability to allow others to buy, sell or auction) any Game account, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material or any other intellectual property owned or controlled by us or our licensors without first obtaining our express written permission."
YOU MAY NOT USE PROGRAMS THAT IMPACT GAMEPLAY.

How much more clear does that have to be?


This does include programs which are used as third party systems for calculating things like timers. In truth SOE does not want you using programs such as ACT, but it has become a widely accepted truth that people are going to nearly always use it.

Technically any form of third party program which assists you in gameplay is "impacting gameplay" and is therefore a means of cheating. Otherwise bots would be considered fine considering they just do things you would normally. Bots are cheating, so is ACT technically, always has been. No where in the EULA does it allow for the usage of ACT, it if anything restricts the possibility of using it.

So I'll reiterate. If your guild is using ACT it is cheating. I guess we're all cheaters.

You might want to start focusing on the nature of the cheats, which is what I was referring to earlier. The exploits you have been mentioning do not CAUSE progress.

So you guys are cheaters also, either because you have or are using ACT, and even if not, your guild is.

Welcoming to cheating.

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Fine then, if you consider it cheating to know someone who uses act, then everyone who plays eq2 is a cheater - even though SOE has never banned, suspended or otherwise stopped anyone from using it. I don't even see anything in their license agreement that would prohibit that program in any way. I can send a email to SOE and ask them specifically if you like.

Of course, if what you say is true, that makes every member of Immortalis a cheater, hacker and exploiter and the rest of us are only cheaters!
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