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Originally Posted by trail
You know what I just do not understand? Why do you try so hard to convince everyone (in my opinion your trying to convince yourself) that the exploits you use do not help you, yet you continue to use them and take advantage of them.
I am so confused.
Oh. I am a boss.
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You know what... I'm confused... Why does all of Mayhem spend their time trying to convince people that Immortalis cheats rather than dropping mobs...
Oh that's right... They can't... So this is the only front they have left.
It's great you managed to question that so I'll answer it for you, I spend so much time doing this because the argument Mayhem puts forward doesn't make sense. They have never yet showed causation with regard to the exploits.
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Originally Posted by Doommaster
Cheating, exploiting and hacking is not considered an accomplishment by anyone other than Immortalis members!
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Like I've said, do members of your guild or have they used ACT?
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Originally Posted by Sibslynx
Id be more worried about the decrease in toon prices as the expansion gets closer. You loved to kill immort on avatars, and called them cheating, exploiting fucks all the time. But hey its not two faced to change what you say now that you're in their guild. You and eno showed your word means nothing. When you were shown proof of them exploiting that would directly benefit them in raids, you did nothing, just as we said you would. This was even after you both posted you would leave if they did it when you were in their guild. Then again its easy to call out tools for what they do next.
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You would considering you haven't ever been all that worried about progression. Sometimes people become more reasonable Sissy, and besides all this should show you is that most of the people who follow you don't believe your nonsensical bullshit.
Did you ever think that people are going to Immortalis not just because they're the best but also because of the climate of stupidity and hatred you create with your jealousy?
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Originally Posted by Doommaster
If it didn't help them in any way then why do they exploit? Any normal person who has played the game for any length of time can see that those exploits help them kill mobs faster. Even the game designers know that - that's why they made the items and buffs in the first place. To say that extra buffs don't help people kill mobs faster is very naive.
You have played the game long enough to know the truth. Unfortunately, your hatred for sibs appears to have clouded your judgement.
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Helping and assisting does not show
causation. We'll go through this again.
Do you seriously think little things like buffs from wicked wand and one or two people on very select situations
caused the avatars and raid mobs to die? No. Of course not and no reasonable person would.
Furthermore if they did
cause them to die, then why is that they are still dying even without things like dual wield?
So basically, if these "cheats and exploits" you keep citing haven't
caused Immortalis to progress, then there's not really much point in citing them now is there? All it is is a vain attempt to discredit a better guild then yours because you can't understand how they're better than you when you're trying your hardest and it still isn't good enough.
I know it's difficult to accept, but you're going to have to. Let's face it, if you weren't trying your best or had more to offer as far as progression then you wouldn't be wasting your time with these lame attempts, you'd be dropping mobs.
So get to it.
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Originally Posted by Sibslynx
Learn to fucking read. Anyone with half a brain (sorry, not you) could understand the bonus for a raid to have buffs like ill will, and malefic fury on numerous people without acctually having to wear the items. It makes me sad that you waste your time posting here when you should be in a special education class getting the attention and help you deserve. Its out there man, just ask for it.
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First he tells us to learn to read, then says that we don't have the half the brain we'd need to understand it anyway... Which is it Sissy?
Again Sissy, these buffs "Help" and "Assist" but do not
cause the mobs to die. The benefits they impart are
not statistically significant. They do not impart an advantage that makes such a weighty numerical advantage as to attribute progression to them.
For example:
Does dual wield on one or two characters make up a benefit of more than 5% of the overall raids DPS? No, of course not. Even if it did, this does not suggest that that damage made the difference between failure or success. The raid would just be slower but still otherwise successful.
Does the buff imparted by wicked wand and its faster casting rate represent a 5% or greater increase in DPS across the entire raid or somehow significantly add to stability? No, of course not. Again, even if you could point out examples where it did, this does not in of itself suggest the raid would be unsuccessful otherwise. All it would show is that the raid would be slower but not that it would not succeed.
So all you guys have shown is that Immortalis has situations that have sped up raids they would have otherwise been successful at anyway, not that they have been successful
because of those advantages.
I have asked you continuously to try to prove that these things you have suggested
caused progression. You have not been able to do so, even though it is easy to try to draw correlations and thereby possibly strong evidences suggesting causation using ACT.
So we can infer that you are either:
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Lazy, and not really interested in proving the accusations that cheating and / or exploiting caused Immortalis progression as this is the only way you can currently try to combat Immortalis, being unable to progress yourselves at the moment.
and / or
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Incompetent
Take your pick Sissy.
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