Too many dumbass melee threads to reply to them all

[gitana]

Originally Posted by Seiryu

you obviously missed the point of my thread. no one cares about warden dps. we are supposed to be healers. and agi line is good btw.

maybe you not care, i care for my dps when heal not needed and me in raid, druids can do two roles, heal and dps, any druid who only heals its a slacker, not surprise me why so much raids not get wardens in.

In our guild whe play on what we have, sometimes even on 2 wardens in raid breaked 50k+ dps, honestly who cares about raid setups at that point. Who its online when mobs need to die gets in raid.

played on STA/INT STR/STA AGI/STA AGI/INT, any option its viable, but i not really like the melee options, and hope we get more caster options in the future.

[Malignx]

Of course I won't be spec'd for Meleeing when the expansion hits, probably not even for leveling up, Sieryu.

When the time comes for RoK as I've posted before, I'll probably be AGI/STA/INT

[Oakmiser]

With RoK it's less of a debate, atleast in my opinion. Wardens have yet to make or break a raid. Yet we are great healers, if the player is taking the right AAs or casting in the right order(which is basically just keep single and group HoTs on all the time, watching cures, and thinking outside the box when it comes to buffing).

What is our job as wardens? It's really simple really. Basically we keep our over time heals going and watch for when to use our elemental ward, and at the same time out of combat we must buff correctly and keep resistance and avoidance high as possible. After covering healing(including all protective measures), and buffing we are supposed to do what we can to debuff and do some reasonable damage.

With RoK we have 70 points in each tree once gained. So to me covering all these bases are pretty easy. Heck we can even add a bit of utility and solo stretch to it without hurting the goals a raid warden, imo, has.

So after much thought this is how I'm spending my AAs for KoS, unless there is some encounter that requires diffrent or there are changes to our AA trees that aren't currently being expressed by Developers.

70 in Druid Tree
Shapeshift- 1
Stamina- 4/4/8/8/2
Agility- 6/4/4/8/2
Intelligence- 4/4/8/3

70 in Warden Tree
All of Remedies- 31(even thought it looks like tranq is in renewal, its not..)
All of Renewal- 25
Movement- Root-5 Spirit of the Wolf-5 Encounter Root-4

I've been playing with the idea in my mind of sacrificing intel line and some of the boosting I put in STA line and going for the rebirth of Wisdom, and the % chance at outright resisting NPC class/racial spells. Though I'm not sure it's really worth it, because good DPS from a healer does play it's part.

I won't support wardens line on warden tree, I think it's crap and even with the crits it's a joke. Nearly all of the rest of the lines are better then it, and you can easily do good damage without having to switch gear types or boost diffrent stats.(Now if itemization in RoK is diffrent and supports a wisdom/power boosting gear that gives str and combat art boosts instead of spells, then that could sway me SLIGHTLY)

It's really not hard to boost damage when playing a caster route. Remember procs/adornments/food&drink, and you can switch from treeant to what ever the spellcrit shapeshift is to get extra damage too. If a specific encounter needs even more damage from you, then don't be scared to carry gear that boosts your damage(int/procs/+dmg etc). I just honestly think it's smarter to play as safely as possible and now that we have 20 more possible AA it's easy to go that route.

I didn't play a warden to do damage, but I accept doing whenever I find a moment from healing/curing etc so that it helps progress a fight faster and make it easier.

There hasn't been any conformation for a while now, atleast that I have seen(give me a link?) that reaffirms that there will be an ability to switch templates of AA. I do think it will happen, and if it does then AA template types will be something to talk about...

Ok, that was long winded of me...but hey I was bored! (Oh, and I'm not saying my AA template is the end all best idea, I just think it's the safest setup and still gives me damage boosts/SoW/rooting)

[Seiryu]

Don't get me wrong. im not critisizing people who have melee line. you take what you can and we dont have many good AA's its not my thing but i understand why some people have it.

My problem is the people who post about how cool it is and how its awsome that its a healer that can melee. We dont have many usefull lines to choose from Its fucking stupid that we got melee line to begin with when we have almost no good AA's anyway so stop fucking posting about how cool it is and how much you like it when the only reason its worth a damn is because its one of the least terrible options.

[chuuk]

In all honesty while our AA lines do offer very little variety in ways to enhance our main ability(healing) the melee line does have some positive benefits . I mean really besides a few exceptions in instanced raidin a good shammy/cleric can make life very boring if all i am there to do is heal. We have 1 debuff and its a DOT we might as well focus on enhancing our dps if for nothing other than getting to thos ehealing oppurtunities at a better pace.
Personally i prefer melee spec to caster spec because while they can both put up equal dps the melee spec allows for more flexability in how and when i can dps . It is much easier IMO to spam out melee attacks between heals and cures than it is to sit back and nuke plus im often with a dirge so even when i was purely heal/support specced i usually had auto-attack on just for the extra procs.
And while to some extent i could honestly side with sittin the warden for most of a zone in place of a higher dps option. I like to be there doin my best to dps cause lets be honest unless things go real wrong im not makin a heal parse anytime soon(at least on the trash)

[Seiryu]

So your main argument for the usefullness of melee line is so you wont be bored? fantastic

[Snark]

if you are a warden.. in a raid.. you should be dps specced and doing dps..

of course the best alternative is to not have a warden in a raid, but when you do have one at this point in the expansion theres no reason whatsoever to be anything else

[Seiryu]

thats exactly my point snark. it would be much better to have AA's that actually made us usefull to the raid. rather than doing marginal dps and being less useless than we would be otherwise. even with melee spec we are not the best fit for any raid slot. Its only real use is to make the best of a bad situation

[chuuk]

look my main point is that until rok hits there is no spot cause nobody needs THE heals yeah were boned right now but in a flat out spam heal a warden is gonna win 9 times out of 10 give it a month we will be useful again . so until then smack the mob and farm away

[Seiryu]

Originally Posted by chuuk

look my main point is that until rok hits there is no spot cause nobody needs THE heals yeah were boned right now but in a flat out spam heal a warden is gonna win 9 times out of 10 give it a month we will be useful again . so until then smack the mob and farm away

Exactly. for any of the top guilds a warden will become useless within 1-2 months after release of a new expansion. do you really think it should be that way? ITS CAUSE WE GET RETARDED AA'S LIKE MELEE LINE BULLSHIT.. how about making us a usefull healer for once like maybe ONE good buff?