This forum is boring as crap.

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Seiryu? Friends? What madness is this?

[asria]

Originally Posted by Jallarial

Ya know Seiryu, think this kinda sums up the warden class in raids really - crap. such a good word :o

this is why i changed my main from my warden: we don't even raid with one anymore. the only situation where it's necessary is on fights like wuoshi with a nasty ae, and lately a furies been doing that, too. i am not in beta so i don't know what rok is going to bring, but as it is right now wardens are the appendix class of healers: we dump an awesome amount of healing but have no other real use (buff wise). i still love my warden, but, i'd rather be useful on raids

[Drasklin]

Speaking of boredom, I was sitting here bored off my ass waiting for the expansion and started daydreaming about what the head of the SOE Warden development team must be like. This is what I envisioned.

She is an enviornmentalist living in a redwood tree in the Headland Forest in California working from a lap top. A very non violent person by nature that thinks all the killing in MMO's is evil. In protest, she developed a lvl 80 Warden spell that summoned a fairy to heal a dragon, because after all they are endangered, but SOE shot her idea down.

God, I spend way too much time thinking of this game, lol hurry up with the expansion.

[Pinski]

Originally Posted by asria

this is why i changed my main from my warden: we don't even raid with one anymore. the only situation where it's necessary is on fights like wuoshi with a nasty ae, and lately a furies been doing that, too. i am not in beta so i don't know what rok is going to bring, but as it is right now wardens are the appendix class of healers: we dump an awesome amount of healing but have no other real use (buff wise). i still love my warden, but, i'd rather be useful on raids

Wuoshi doesn't even need a warden or fury.

[Seiryu]

Originally Posted by Pinski

Wuoshi doesn't even need a warden or fury.

the only encounter that has really needed a warden is prenerf AOM

[hearth]

several things that will dramatically increase the role of a warden.

1.) Group DS - Changing it to a buff similar to fanaticism
2.) Shatter Infection - Changing it to a buff
3.) Spore- Changing it to groupwide
4.) Duststorm - Instead of 20% chance to stunthat doesnt effect epic -> + Avoidance by X%
5.)Primitive Instinct - Raid wide, + Haste and DPS by X%

[Seiryu]

i like your dust storm idea. the rest of those im not so sure about =p

[Samui]

You guys must be shitty wardens to get sat and find yourself being useless. I raid everyday with my guild. I'm number 3 on the healer parse for total HPs healed in a zone about 95% of the time. That's in front of an OT Shaman, Inquisitor that may or may not be in the OT also, and either another Inq or a Fury. These healers don't suck either. They're very good at their class. On some fights I'm #1 on the ZW. Like fighting Chel'Drak for instance. I'm usually about 3rd for DPS amongst the healers also. A Fury never comes close to outhealing me. For Pure all out omgzhealing in the smallest amount of time possible--you can't beat a Warden. Hands down. If you're being sat it's because you're letting some shitty shaman or cleric do your job better.

And in times when something goes wrong - agro gets loose, etc - The warden (if doing their job properly) should almost always be #1 or 2 on the parse from healing the raid. I know that Heal parses mean very little and are only 1 aspect of a healers ability. But you can't rightly parse cures or buffage or simple intelligence for that matter. Give your a guild a reason for wanting you.

/Cue Flame

edited cause I type like a 4-yr old

[Taja]

Originally Posted by Samui

You guys must be shitty wardens to get sat and find yourself being useless. I raid everyday with my guild. I'm number 3 on the healer parse for total HPs healed in a zone about 95% of the time. That's in front of an OT Shaman, Inquisitor that may or may not be in the OT also, and either another Inq or a Fury. These healers don't suck either. They're very good at their class. On some fights I'm #1 on the ZW. Like fighting Chel'Drak for instance. I'm usually about 3rd for DPS amongst the healers also. A Fury never comes close to outhealing me. For Pure all out omgzhealing in the smallest amount of time possible--you can't beat a Warden. Hands down. If you're being sat it's because you're letting some shitty shaman or cleric do your job better.

And in times when something goes wrong - agro gets loose, etc - The warden (if doing their job properly) should almost always be #1 or 2 on the parse from healing the raid. I know that Heal parses mean very little and are only 1 aspect of a healers ability. But you can't rightly parse cures or buffage or simple intelligence for that matter. Give your a guild a reason for wanting you.

/Cue Flame

edited cause I type like a 4-yr old

Sam, there is nothing wrong with our ability to heal at all, its our lack of "other" group benefits in our buffs and class specials. Why have a warden in the group when __(insert class)___ can do that AND __(insert ability)___. There is nothing particularly special that makes us desirable (sides maybe how cute we look in our leafy tiaras). This makes it pointless to have multiple wardens in a raid unless for whatever reason there are crazy amount of Elemental/trauma needed to cure. Not saying that you should be asked to sit seeing as how wardens are still very effective healers but in end content raiding there really isn't any mob that really "needs" a warden in the MT group or otherwise unlike the roles of the templar and defiler/mystic and fury in the mage group.

[Indurkin]

Originally Posted by Samui

You guys must be shitty wardens to get sat and find yourself being useless. I raid everyday with my guild. I'm number 3 on the healer parse for total HPs healed in a zone about 95% of the time. That's in front of an OT Shaman, Inquisitor that may or may not be in the OT also, and either another Inq or a Fury. These healers don't suck either. They're very good at their class. On some fights I'm #1 on the ZW. Like fighting Chel'Drak for instance. I'm usually about 3rd for DPS amongst the healers also. A Fury never comes close to outhealing me. For Pure all out omgzhealing in the smallest amount of time possible--you can't beat a Warden. Hands down. If you're being sat it's because you're letting some shitty shaman or cleric do your job better.

And in times when something goes wrong - agro gets loose, etc - The warden (if doing their job properly) should almost always be #1 or 2 on the parse from healing the raid. I know that Heal parses mean very little and are only 1 aspect of a healers ability. But you can't rightly parse cures or buffage or simple intelligence for that matter. Give your a guild a reason for wanting you.

/Cue Flame

edited cause I type like a 4-yr old

Here is the trouble, using your example, fighting Cheldrak I used to be 1st on the parse by a fair amount, as the raidforce (MT in particular) got better geared my position dropped down leaving me forth or fifth with maybe 20% the heal output of the other MT healers. This is because I am slacking or a "Shitty Warden" as you put it?? No! its because Cheldrak can no longer hit the tank enough for him to actually lose hit points that the other 2 MT healers dont have covered before your heals even get to tick. Thats not letting other healers do your job better, it's simple fucking game mechanics.

This pattern repeats itself over and over as you go through raid content, once its broken and your force has encounters at farm status you are hardly needed at all, I DPS on Cheldrak now but what class cant out DPS a Warden?, even if you go with some stupid Melee spec (if I wanted to melee I'd have rolled a scout) Now in other zones I can still hit 3rd most of the time on the raidwide but its a pretty dismal 3rd throwing the odd heal in while banging out dismally poor DPS

So what happens? On trash its better to have an extra hate transfer in MT group so the DPS can beat on the mob a little harder without pulling aggro, so what? you get put in the mage group? No! a fury has much better buffs for that, in fact a different type of healer is better for every other group and on the names when you are still useful, well a fury can cover that because you never, ever get to flat out heal.

Now in a situation where the tanks health bar is mostly below 100% a warden will easily out heal any other class by a fair margin. Yes if you get adds and the shit hits the fan then Wardens rock, but with a decent tank who knows the zone and a well disiplined raidforce, this almost never happens.

So here is the thing, they have changed nothing as far as I can see to change this, unless the raid content itself has something interesting to throw at us. If that is not the case then I think once we have the RoK content broken I'll be looking for a main change.