Warden v.s Fury..... Which class is best? - Page 3

Laalon · 03-20-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignx

Your opinion is wrong.

Fair enough, and maybe I just didn't know the class as good (or as bad

) as I do warden.

I'm sure it's different in a raiding situation than it is against just heroic content, but I've always grouped with 2 ppl, sk and assassin. We cleared all instances by ourselves while lvling. Mostly killing ^^^'s that were 2-4 lvls higher than us.

Around lvl 70, i betrayed and lvl'd that up for a while, and noticed (or seemed like) the fury had alot of trouble keeping the sk up, where the warden didn't, not to mention against lower lvl heroics (Same lvl as us or lower). Just my opinion tho, as i stated b4, whether it's wrong or not.

trojamonkee · 03-30-2008, 12:12 AM

Wardens > furies with healing and also have multiple antideaths including group one, they also have spores? which is like 20% of their total heals PASSIVELY, without them even pushing a button heh

Furies > wardens dpsing

You can solo heal all group heroic content in the game on a fury, it's just easier on a warden.

Malignx · 03-30-2008, 03:14 AM

It might do 20% if you're AFK.
VP ZW:

Fury is better than Warden in every way.

Don't ever post again, fucking moron.

Kild · 03-30-2008, 04:37 AM

Proving that Spores doesnt do 20% of our ZW is NOT proving that Furies can heal as well as Wardens.

What was the Fury's ZW for that same VP ZW, also swap groups with said fury and repost the parses and lets compare.

Proof and I betray

Malignx · 03-30-2008, 04:48 PM

The only proof there could be, since no situation can be re-created or changed once its passed is a theoretical casting order using spells with the highest HPS first, over a minute or so period, with totaled healed amount at the end of the rainbow.

I know I'm too lazy to do that.

Feel free to if you want though!

Indurkin · 03-31-2008, 06:32 PM

If you do the maths a warden will significantly outheal a fury until you take into account how much of your heals are just wasted. Think about what happens when the tank is hit, firstly all his mit, block etc etc reduce the damage intake, then the wards followed by the reactives do their thing, only then do a druids heals come into play and the tanks lost health shoots back up and he is green long before your heals have reached their max potential. If you could parse a fight, then replay it with a fury there instead, you would find that although the warden has an edge its really quite small in the vast majority of fights.

Where the warden shines is while you are breaking content, I think this edge wardens have over furies from a healing point of view is very significant there but after that.....prolly not, except maybe for very specific fights where stuff like your heat and cold buffs/wards/cures come into play. So that leaves DPS, Furies murder us there no matter what you do.

The thing is what kind of groups/raids are you in, if all you do is guild groups with skilled/well geared players, then the extra DPS from the fury is better. If you've cleared all the raid content or will do soon, then a fury is prolly better. If on the other hand, your in a more casual guild that is likely to be clearing content untill the next expansion is due, then maybe the warden is a better choice.

One way or the other, a fury vs a warden will not make or break a raid 95% of the time, maybe that encounter will take a few more pulls with a fury when you are just barely able to manage it but thats all. So it boils down to what some others have said, which class do YOU prefer to play. For me its warden every time, I will not betray for a little DPS, if I wanted DPS I'd roll a wizard or something.

Malignx · 03-31-2008, 07:27 PM

You're probably forgetting about Hibernate & Return to the Pack.

Indurkin · 03-31-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Malignx

You're probably forgetting about Hibernate & Return to the Pack.

Hmm maybe...I should point out that I've never actually played a fury, I am basing the whole Warden > Fury @ healing, on my own observations and the fact that its generally accepted, I don't think these spells tip the balance tbh.

Return to the Pack is a pretty damn nice spell, Hibernate on the other hand must be very difficult to use properly, you would have to predict 12ish seconds beforehand that the tank will need that heal, if the tank is at 100% when the spell terminated thats a fair amount of power gone to waste, tho I suppose power isn't much of an issue these days. It must be very hit and miss tho except against particular AoEs.

Malignx · 04-01-2008, 12:38 AM

Do people in your guild wear Bloodthirsty Chokers?

Tricit · 04-01-2008, 10:34 AM

I notice every time I group with another healer who seems to be spamming crap in the channels or doing some other stupid crap, they always seems to forget that I have extremely efficient HoTs. What I mean by this is that their stupid arse has their ward or reactive do its job, and then the tank starts taking some steady damage or something, and these type of people who just happen to play a healer just don't want to let the Regrowth (and upgrades) do it's job. Then their power, behold, is now significantly lower than everyone elses.

If any non Druids are reading this, IF YOUR GROUPED WITH A DRUID, LET THEM DO THEIR EXTREMELY POWER EFFICIENT JOB! That is why we can CAST FAST, so make sure these Hots begin and do the work properly. DON'T WORRY! If they aren't keeping up, we can just start spamming out our arse...