Need Some Help.. There are no Guides here but I wanna start one... Best Gear For Battle Wardens?

Nektulos-Tuor · 10-09-2008, 02:55 PM

What is a Battle Warden?
The best combination of Heal/Damage Gear for Wardens!

Things I know!

Charm:
\aITEM 360585556 2117497052:Neckerchief of the Winter Bandit\/a
\aITEM 2102182529 -213424263:Unlucky Horseshoe\/a

Weapon: 3% Double Attack Temp Adorn
Smoldering Lacerative Ayr Stone (+6 Slashing)
Smoldering Balanced Ayr Stone (+3% Reposite) [soloing]
Bite of The Wolf (epic/myth)

Shield:
Smoldering Tactical Strut (2% melee crit)
\aITEM -1980729575 -866773003:Runneye Buckler\/a

Ranged:
Scintillating Judicious Composite Gear (+10 Dps)
\aITEM 592925683 -7337559:The Arm of Erollisi\/a

Arrow:
\aITEM 302898498 -1471777856:Burning Deathfist Arrow\/a

Waist:
Smoldering Archimages Buckle (+6 Disruption/Subjugation)
\aITEM 2126593866 -1375555784:Baldric of the Di'Zok Warlord\/a

Cloak:
Smoldering Metaphysical Lining (4 Combat Mana Regen)
\aITEM -1925927922 1471472760:Cloak of Woven Vines\/a

Neck:
Smoldering Judicious Clasp (+12 DPS)
\aITEM 717281040 -596555433:Ganak's Torque\/a

Legs:
Smoldering Brawny Brace (+16 Strength)
\aITEM 1390201738 -865582560:Firefury Leggings\/a

Head:
Smoldering Blessed Imprint (+3% Heal Crit Chance)
\aITEM -512249947 -8809340:Skullcap of the Reet Knight\/a

Wrist:
Smoldering Savvy Fastening (+16 Wisdom) or
Smoldering Balanced Fastening (3% Parry Chance)
((BOTH ARE VERY NICE FOR SURVIVABILITY OVERALL!!!))
\aITEM -1645567762 -1240939481:Quartermaster's Clasp\/a
\aITEM 1490589978 -1742141756:Bergo's Dirty Wristlet\/a

Ring:
Smoldering Rugged Polish (+100 health)
\aITEM 2043634222 -237532485:Gift to the Queen\/a
\aITEM -1793979714 -499229159:pristine imbued tynnonium band of strength\/a

Ears:
Smoldering Intellectual Backing (+16 Int)
\aITEM 733583127 1356004522:Totem of the Ankexfen\/a
\aITEM 1387851123 1306523184:Droag Talon Plugs\/a
or
\aITEM 636134484 1106408362:Circle of Necrosis\/a (Raid)

Hands:
Smoldering Restorative Stitching (+50 Healing)
\aITEM -509042440 184175974:Gauntlets of the Animator\/a

Feet:
Smoldering Agile Spurs (+16 Agility)
\aITEM 1844654300 -300138163:Oiled Leather Boots\/a

Chest:
Smoldering Prismatic Applique (+7 All)
\aITEM -659458117 914569170:Crimson Robe of Alendine\/a
or
\aITEM 1116516438 -399186902:Gi of the Jarsath Swiftail\/a

Forearm:
Smoldering Savvy Splint (+16 Wis)
\aITEM -750149889 1641117273:Armguards of Ancient Rituals\/a

Shoulders:
Smoldering Brawny Straps (+16 Strength)
\aITEM 1512063666 1462086122:Grim Shoulder Pads\/a

Veedub · 10-09-2008, 03:40 PM

Wow... did you try looking at the top post labeled "T8 Warden Gear", maybe its just me but that may be a good place to look for information on Warden gear...

Nektulos-Tuor · 10-09-2008, 04:03 PM

Has no info on Hybrid Gear.
((Battlewarden)), but I put up some of the best of that here.. not saying its bad, but yeah.. I really used most of that stuff and put it all together for the best combinations!

Veedub · 10-09-2008, 04:51 PM

Correct, there is no info on hybrid gear because it's based on personal preferences, there really is no "best" setup for hybrid.

You also prolly won't get much information on it either since, for the most part, wardens are caster spec'd.

WC-Larry · 10-09-2008, 11:13 PM

If you want a hybrid gear set then just combine the best pieces from my melee set with the healer set and then go from there. Its pretty easy. When I want to maintain some resemblance of heals along with dps I put on my dps gear then swap out the shittier pieces for the better healing pieces. Its pretty easy to do on the fly, but for the most part why would you? Its pretty easy to determine when youre goin to be healing and when youre going to be dpsing and swapping in the right gear. Why would you want to halfway gimp yourself on BOTH dps and heals?

Demented Penguin · 10-10-2008, 05:23 AM

Before I contribute my 2 cents on the subject, I'd like to state that I have tried both builds, and more than just for about 20 minutes, closer to about 2 months each, and have played every class in the game, but mostly a tank. My experience with the hybrid build is that it's really not as good as the casting build for solo healing a group instance, and addititonally, it's really oriented towards soloing rather than grouping anyway. It just happens to heal the group when the str line ability hits; the heal on attack proc.

The reason I bring this up is because of 2 factors. If you read the whole post, you will understand where I'm coming from, although you may not agree with it.

First: the warden already kicks ass at soloing, more so than most of the classes do anyway. They're practically impossible to kill one on one, they are very power efficient, and at higher levels, they get a noticeable dps boost, and can serve pretty much anything. The only thing they lack in is their dps (which at higher levels really isn't that bad against solo mobs) and because of this, the only "problem" is that they take more time in comparison to other classes. In this perspective, it would be beneficial to run the battle warden spec. Except...

Secondly: as far as end content goes, which is where you get all of those items except those that can be bought, the majority of the call for wardens will be the casting build since it's overall more effective. The reason it's more effective is because casting damage spells and casting healing spells is very similar in attributes and functionality based upon the average items with healing properties. The only real gear that has any orientation to the battle druids would be better used on a fury, in which case you should be rolling one of them instead since they're more usefull running dps than a warden. The one thing that a warden lords over a fury is the number of times we can prevent death and the speed at which we can do it, and the overall amount of healing we can do over the course of time. Therefore, since all other healers trump us in every way other than those 2 things, the last thing that a warden should do is gimp or remove those 2 selling points that make them worth having in the group. If you run a battle druid, you're more a spot healer than anything, in which case, a fury would be a better choice than you because of dps, OR the group is so decked in gear that they don't really need healing, in which case they'd probably just run a conjy healing pet, or a fury solo healer because again, more dps. So after all things considered, The ideal gear is self exclusive because of what it takes to get it, and what the build is.

Now, if I'm not correct on this, someone please chime their input in, because I loved running the battle druid for entertainment purposes, and I'd love justification and an answer on how to make it effective so that I can switch back and not be replaced by a fury.

WC-Larry · 10-10-2008, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demented Penguin

Before I contribute my 2 cents on the subject, I'd like to state that I have tried both builds, and more than just for about 20 minutes, closer to about 2 months each, and have played every class in the game, but mostly a tank. My experience with the hybrid build is that it's really not as good as the casting build for solo healing a group instance, and addititonally, it's really oriented towards soloing rather than grouping anyway. It just happens to heal the group when the str line ability hits; the heal on attack proc.

The reason I bring this up is because of 2 factors. If you read the whole post, you will understand where I'm coming from, although you may not agree with it.

First: the warden already kicks ass at soloing, more so than most of the classes do anyway. They're practically impossible to kill one on one, they are very power efficient, and at higher levels, they get a noticeable dps boost, and can serve pretty much anything. The only thing they lack in is their dps (which at higher levels really isn't that bad against solo mobs) and because of this, the only "problem" is that they take more time in comparison to other classes. In this perspective, it would be beneficial to run the battle warden spec. Except...

Secondly: as far as end content goes, which is where you get all of those items except those that can be bought, the majority of the call for wardens will be the casting build since it's overall more effective. The reason it's more effective is because casting damage spells and casting healing spells is very similar in attributes and functionality based upon the average items with healing properties. The only real gear that has any orientation to the battle druids would be better used on a fury, in which case you should be rolling one of them instead since they're more usefull running dps than a warden. The one thing that a warden lords over a fury is the number of times we can prevent death and the speed at which we can do it, and the overall amount of healing we can do over the course of time. Therefore, since all other healers trump us in every way other than those 2 things, the last thing that a warden should do is gimp or remove those 2 selling points that make them worth having in the group. If you run a battle druid, you're more a spot healer than anything, in which case, a fury would be a better choice than you because of dps, OR the group is so decked in gear that they don't really need healing, in which case they'd probably just run a conjy healing pet, or a fury solo healer because again, more dps. So after all things considered, The ideal gear is self exclusive because of what it takes to get it, and what the build is.

Now, if I'm not correct on this, someone please chime their input in, because I loved running the battle druid for entertainment purposes, and I'd love justification and an answer on how to make it effective so that I can switch back and not be replaced by a fury.

Itemization for melee healers sucks. You will find only a handful of items in game that share both melee characteristics and healing characteristics. Melee is the superior form of damage based upon raw damage output potential for our class, but it is considerably more difficult to balance heals and dps when you are in a melee spec. As you stated, it is much easier to find gear that shares nuking and healing attributes. The best way to go about dealing with this itemization issue in my opinion is to never shoot for a true hybrid gear build.

Your gear choices should be all or nothing in my opinion. You lose too much dps by trying to work in healing gear and you lose too much healing trying to work in dps gear. Its pretty easy to determine what fights are going to require you to heal hard and which not though so just swap gear between pulls and you maintain maximum dps efficiency for when its needed and maximum healing efficiency for when its needed.

kxizm · 10-10-2008, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WC-Larry

If you want a hybrid gear set then just combine the best pieces from my melee set with the healer set and then go from there. Its pretty easy. When I want to maintain some resemblance of heals along with dps I put on my dps gear then swap out the shittier pieces for the better healing pieces. Its pretty easy to do on the fly, but for the most part why would you? Its pretty easy to determine when youre goin to be healing and when youre going to be dpsing and swapping in the right gear. Why would you want to halfway gimp yourself on BOTH dps and heals?

Tuor pwnd by WC_larry.

tuor: stop posting!
larry: keep posting!

Veedub · 10-10-2008, 03:55 PM

Ummm, how exactly did Larry own Tuor? If you mean Tuor posted his thoughts on hybrid setup and Larry offered his opinion about hybrid setups then yeah i guess he totally got "pwnd"....

Ariel · 10-11-2008, 04:52 AM

I'm going to put together a post that's all these posts in one post, so all that info is right at our fingertips. /roll eyes.

WTF is a 'Battle Warden'? You mean someone who specs melee? Cause I'm caster spec'd and when I do a fight, I'm in there battling as hard as anyone that's meleeing - just doing it different.

By my reckoning, you have a couple of pieces of caster gear in your setup, as well, IMO. I wouldn't set up a melee warden wearing some of these items - but if it works for you, that's awesome. It's just not definitive.

Whereas it was nice of you to go to the effort - and the post is appreciated, WClarry has gone over every single item you posted and even more items you haven't posted - with a calculator - in that stickied post at the top of the forums.