Umuni

Nothing makes HoTs easier than wards. HoTs are harder.

WC-Larry

Uhh.... Group healing on a druid is about 8000x easier than group healing on a shaman.

FOR THE APPLICATION OF GROUP HEALING....
Group HOT > Group Ward

Its simple... Group ward is a shared healing amount across the entire group. Group HOT is a HOT that ticks individually on each person. The total healed potential between group ward versus group HOT cant even be compared.

Umuni

Misunderstanding. I wasn't saying that mystic group ward > our shit. Just that, in general, they have it easier than we do. If you want to play a healer that will do pretty well whether or not you have any talent, play the mystic. That was my point. Great mystics are truly great. Great wardens are truly great. Mediocre mystics are pretty damn good. Mediocre wardens aren't. So, if you want to coast in your class, play the mystic.

Ok, I've got my flameshield up. Have at me. ;)

Edit: I guess for clarity I should add this. Yes, easier to group heal as a warden, for the reasons Larry gave.

caelaran

Thanks for the advice, is there a viable Warden build that includes the SoW boost?

Umuni

Yes. Check out the stickied thread on AAs It contains a pretty complete discussion of our AA builds.

wkim33

Now I'll really have to disagree with that...I have experience Playing both classes (Mystic and Warden). I find that Warden's heal easiir in a group. As a warden you can make a mistake and make up for it, with the faster casting heal spells. As a Mystic, you're scrooged if you fall behind. Thats the key difference between them in my experience. You have to keep it up, cause one misstep you're hurting as a Mystic. Especially if one of those dps guys get to eager. I agree on the part Warden's can heal better group wide definately for sure, but I would reverse the notion that mediocre Mystics will be good. That is simply not true, a Mediocre Warden will be good, a mediocre Mystic..will be bad.

I've played a Warden to 71 and a Mystic to 80. I like both of them, but a Warden in healing was much easier.

Umuni

I'm saying something different. And the reaction of virtually all players supports my point. When a group is looking for a healer, you think they pick the warden over the mystic? Even if the mystic is just mediocre? No, not unless they know that the warden doesn't suck. What explains that? Well, partly it's explained by the fact that even a shitty mystic will do ok on a heal parse. A shitty warden will sink the boat.

So yeah, I disagree. Sure, maybe conceptually it seems easier for a warden. But if you were right, things wouldn't be as they are. My main point is that being a very good warden is way harder than being a very good mystic. And I don't mean being good for the class. I mean being good as a healer, period. Being such that people will want you back as a healer again. I think it's much harder for a warden to get the re-invite than it is for a mystic. You can blame part of it in stupidity of the inviter, but I think by and large the fault is explained by the fact that so many wardens have no clue how to play well. Cuz it's harder.

Granted, wardens are handicapped from the get-go. That's the point. To excel, a warden has to figure out how to overcome the shortcomings of the class to the extent possible. The really good ones do that. Mystics, otoh, simply have to figure out what their class is about, and then their heal parses rock. So yeah, easier to play a mystic and be asked again to group.

Or anyway, that's what my experience tells me. I have a mystic, too. Hardly play him. But when I do, it's ridiculous the heal parse I can put out. I prefer the challenge of the warden. That said, if sony fixes us, well, I'll prefer the ease of the warden. Heh.

Nebbeny

A warden is NOT a difficult class to play, keep regen up, keep on top of cures, keep group regen up if you can, and be ready to hit the single target/group heals when neccessary. You can add dps to that if your a good player, but it's not neccessary on the healing side of things at all.
Mystics have so many tools it's unbelievable, and their cast times make it even more stupid, you can help heal by debuffing, bolstering, sentry'ing, using that little pet thing, you have single target group ward, and that single target ward which snares them and regenerates, then you have your heals if the wards aren't cutting it.

And if your trying to say, that a solo healing mystic will out parse a solo healing warden, then wtf are you on? Mystics have better buffs, and they debuff the mob, if your tank is taking more damage than the one with a warden, then you cannot be playing your class to it's full potential. Not to mention who other than a healer actually looks at the heal parse if it's a SOLO healer, as far as a group is concerned, if you kept the group stable, maybe healed well through a few dodgey encounters or just plain rocked all around, you'll be remembered fondly, not if you got big numbers on the parse against yourself, or that necro that was life tapping...

wkim33

TBH, I think it's a general misconception (Brawler's can't tank OMG syndrome). Which causes this issue. Also I don't have the pure numbers, but I am pretty confident there are a lot more wardens than mystics. So you know, there has to be more bad players in that group than Mystics. I also think those Furies who aren't healing who think they are DPS aren't helping the druid area period. People are just misinformed. As a warden I can solo heal really well.

meleemadness

OK, what about Mystic AND Warden in a duo?

I was going to play a Brig and my wife either a mystic or warden but we could never decide so we are going to play both...mystic (me) and warden (her). I hope we can compliment each other with buffs and keep each other alive to do enough DPS to take down heroics.

Anyway, since our research was inconclusive, we decided to try them both in a duo.....time will tell how we do....unless you all have some experiences. Right now we are lvl locked and working on AAs.