Seiryu

i forgot to add this to my last post but i found it too amusing to pass up. I love it when people have no idea what they are talking about and try to make this argument. If your guild is bad enough that they need a warden in the raid then you are in no place to understand what phay is talking about.

kulras

Yeah, the sky is falling!!!! Oh noes!

How about no? The grass always appears greener on the other side, but you have tools that are a benefit to any group, especially fast casting heals.

Also, on a pvp server, you are going to see a LOT of druids, because they
A) Own
B) Are the primary pvp healing class due to the speed of their casts

So unless guilds don't want healers, they're going to adapt to having more wardens and fury's than their min/maxxing officers might like...but all in all, it's still very viable and probably more fun than not seeing health bars drops because of group wards

Seiryu

A) ive never heard of your guild
B) i dont care about pvp shutup
C) you know nothing about high end raiding ( See A )

kulras

A) Our guild name is a new one, but by no means are any of us new to raiding or MMO's

B) A lot of people do, including Sony, which has more precedence than your solitary opinion. Fact is, the classes were all "balanced" because PvP came into being. So yeah...not shutting up.

C) Seriously, I've done plenty of high end raiding but it's gotten to the point where after one time, it's boring (yeah, I'm old and bitter).


D) (I added this one) You seem to just want to point and shoot at me, which is fine, it's a forum after all, but in all honesty you aren't going to get to me that way. Now, if you point out something that is factual and proves me wrong, then maybe I'll go cry in the corner. I.E. I am not 13 ;)

Oakmiser

Honestly, why the fuck do you even bother posting if your defense for a warden getting a position on a raid is going to be that they are well balanced for PVP?

Did you even read the fucking initial post? FFS, go orgasm your love for druid PVP somewhere else and let the "carebears" talk about raiding. Don't fucking hijack the thread and try and talk about shit that you clearly don't understand.

kulras

I did read the original post, I also read many of the responses. All I see is negative posts, including your response to mine. Let's be honest here, crying might make you feel better because the others that are sympathetic to your cries respond but the reality is...Warden is the way it is. You should try to look at the brighter side of things or you'll go crazy (or in your case, insult-savvy).

You're only real options are:
1. Get a job at SOE and make the changes yourself
2. Write up suggestions on the appropriate SOE forums where feedback is requested from players
3. Pray that the changes you are looking for occur because the developers also recognize them

Venting might make you feel better but it really only perpetuates the issue. I suggest trying to look for some resolutions to what you feel issues are, post them in the appropriate forum(s) in a positive manner (I.E. construct your argument for why these changes are needed and show evidence of that fact) instead of just insulting everyone that comes along and tries to offer some positive feedback.

FWIW I wasn't attempting to hijack the thread but merely offer something positive to the conversation. The context was an example of how we perform in PvP, that is true; however, these strengths we have are also strengths we have in PvE.

Seiryu

blah blah blah shutup

kulras

Informative response.

Unfortunately for you, it shows your maturity level which from what I've seen in your posts, is around that of a mosquito. Keep up the great work!

Seiryu

QFE

Im tired of trying to have a logical discussion with you because it doesnt work. you dont actually listen to what people are actually talking about and start spouting your own bullshit about pvp and how its ok that were underpowered because we can do dps on a raid. sorry but id rather have a functional class. no matter how many people explain it to you you obviously wont understand the actuall purpose of this post so just stop replying to it. if you want ill make you your own wow we own in pvp we r so cool thread.

Trumak

Pvp should never define class balancing in a primarily pve game and if you are trying to rationalize that it should because pvp exists you are truely retarded.

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