Ladred

I agree that the pvp discussions should stay out of pve discussions. Playing on Nagafen now I know that its as different as night and day. I raided on Kithicor, and even though that was several months ago, not much has changed since. Wardens are crippled by their awesomeness in healing. Unfortunately in a balancing game if you give something to our class, there would have to be something taken away. I don't want anything taken away because I personally like being the best healer in the game. Just sucks that when there is less and less need for healers that the Warden is always the first to take a seat. Even made a demotivation about it. Is there an ultimate solution, I believe there is, but I'm not one to want to take the risk that we would have to take a nerf to our healing in order to get something that'll suit us for the long haul in raiding once not as many healers are needed.

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kulras

Well said!!! I bow to your logic.

Oakmiser

Good, cause he basically said in his opening that your PVP warden orgasims need to be talked about somewhere else.

Un35c4p4b13

What makes it more humerous is that I remember a while back that SOE had made a statement saying no class would be built soley around PvP purposes. I think it was around the time AA started coming out, I'd have to really dive into it to find it again ( which I'm a bit too lazy to do now ), but it's there, and I'm not the only one who remembers it.

So let's see.. Able to attack while on the move.. Hmm.. Can't really.. see this as being useful to a healing class.. Unless you're MAYBE doing a Harla Dar raid where you yell off the encounters.. Ok, so that's one PvE situation that MIGHT require it.. Other than that I draw a blank as to why a PvE Warden would require it..

So I can only assume SOE had forgotten this little detail and just threw us in their with Fury stats and builds, and while they so happily shoved Wis/Int gear down our throats, they decided to make it harder by making our only decent AA options that of CA's. Sure, we have the Cure tree, but come on.. a good healer can cure his entire group, even without the group cure ability, before another AE WHILE keeping them up in health. Even if you can't, run through Deathtoll a few times to practice.

Basically, the point is, no class should be built around PvP like Wardens are. Our AA should come from what benefits our class the most. If thye want us to be the Melee Fighters of the Druids, fine.. Stop giving us caster shit so we don't have to go to extremes just to get some added DPS that we usually won't get to use ( Unless soloing.. )

Domona

So did anyone cry a little inside when the class makeup for the "dream team" beta raid first got posted? WTG, Snark for getting in, anyway!

Do us proud and give them lots of feedback!!!

Seiryu

why would we cry? lol

Domona

Well, I wouldn't imagine you crying over anything, Seiryu Me, I don't like seeing a proposed raid force that doesn't include my class. 'Cause I'm self-centered like that!

Seiryu

I already know our class sucks. wasnt news to me