mafoe

Marauder/Black Orc/Chosen/Witch Elf dominate, and if you get a scenario with 5 or more of those (which happens regularly), Order is steamrolled several times. White Lions just dont cut it. Witch hunters suck. Swordmasters seems to be very squishy too. It's just the ironbreakers who actually can hold off the melee avalanche in scenarios. And still Order wins a fair share of scenarios on my server... discuss. Was it a big mistake from Mythic to remove the dwarf melee dps and the human tank class?

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Thelounge

Swordmasters aren't the human tanks? They seem like the brawlers of EQ2 though...

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mafoe

They're the elven tanks.

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the_mo

swordmasters are the most annoying order class, followed by fire mages. i have now encountered several swordmasters which dont do anything but run around and use their AE knockback to piss off destro-dudes. then they run away until the cooldown is over, come back, KB again... rince repeat... *sigh*

Dakis

Swordmasters are avoidance based tanks. Marauders are stupidly overpowered... with extremely high melee DPS and the survivability of a tank (not to mention the single target pull spell), they pretty much are rape.

mafoe

The morons on my server think they're Ironbreakers and charge into the enemy turtle, trying to tank 5 Destro players at once...... fucking retards. I have rezzed Swordmasters most of all, followed my shadow warriors, then white lions.

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Jhonas

The original design intent was for Ironbreakers to be the Physical tanks and Swordmasters to be the Magic tanks. Early in beta this was very clear but more recently they've come closer to a middle ground. My personal hope is that as they work more on class balance they get back to that.

Swordmasters do have some pretty ridiculous AoE debuffing. However, in this game currently the only debuffs that are really good in RvR are healing debuffs.

For PvE though we've found that the best set-up tends to be a Swordmaster MT with an Ironbreaker using him as Oathfriend and then a third of either/or tanking adds.

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Dakis

Or just one good Ironbreaker tanking everything.

Jhonas

I said it was the "best setup". I didn't say it was neccessary.

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Calbiyum

Yea destruction always kills order in melee. It's gay.

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