Chapel

Im not even commenting on the itemization, Im just commenting that its funny your in this forum posting things like they are facts when you never played the game or took much time to discuss it with those that do.

Ossot posts a seriously skewed version of his opinion of the itemization, and I dont think Adam has a clue on this game or cares too, so not sure what point you were making by bringing them up either. Unless thats where you get your information from...actually I guess that makes complete sense.

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Ossot

Seriously bro. Don't get me wrong, the focus of WAR *IS* PvP. I didn't buy it for the PvE, and I wasn't expecting some amazing PvE end-game. If you went to WAR for PvE, you went for the wrong reason. It's all about the PvP. And for sake of this argument, I wont critique that to hell.

but the itemization is horrible. Not until the lost vale does any gear obtained through PvE instanced contant worth a damn. You can hit my wardb profile, I'm sporting through sentinel before I gave up. I saw the content. Our first trip into crypts we 5man'd it with 1 tank not even half geared for PvE and with the only real wipes on one named. Everytime we'd get drops they'd be horrible and even the class that got to loot it was disappointed.

Look up your respective armor set on wardb. Tell me grinding sentinel or beyond is worth your time. Tell me in t2-midt4 it's not much better to have PQ gear. The PvP gear is complete garbage after you get out of nordenwatch. I realize these aren't black and white facts, but i've honestly never heard anyone try to insinuate the renown gear is actually worth a shit until ~40.

The itemization is sad. The only set gear that makes a guy say mmm is the orange pieces which you can only get 1 of per king kill.. something Order wont do for 3 years.

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Jhonas

Bleh, this post is going to be long but fuck it. A couple things...

Pink nobody cares whether you are right or not, it's the fact that you are talking about things you know nothing about just because you read it somewhere on the internets. People will always get made fun of for doing that so get used to it if that's how you want to be seen. This has already been stated but you didn't really seem to get it so I felt it was worth restating. Not trying to be rude, just trying to hammer home a point you seem to have missed.

Itemization is bad in Warhammer as of right now. However, I disagree with both Ossot and Pinks quoted blog about why. (Stating that Adam is the go-to guy on information about endgame itemization wouldn't be much different then asking Pink herself, no offense) It's preposterous to say that most classes prefer splitting their Annihilator/Bloodlord sets over sporting a full-set of Sentinel. The only reason I can possibly see the majority of classes doing this is if they were unable to get their Sentinel/Dark Promise easily. With that said there are a few classes that in the right spec can get a lot of benefit out of splitting the lower tier Sets, it is the exception though and not the rule.

The itemization is bad for the following reasons:

-You are forced to progress through the wards to do the PvE instances but you can do an entire run of the Sentinal instances without getting your set piece to drop. At this point you would have to wait around for 3 days to try again.

-Mythic put too much importance on secondary stats. For example, as an Archmage you can end up with upwards of 300 Weaponskill with certain full sets. This doesn't mean that you weren't able to pump the stat you were going for high enough to be effective, but it does mean that you are stuck wondering if you could get more Willpower on this piece if they would just get rid of the dumbass Weaponskill on it.

-Our last Fortress raid ended up with over 800 people being present(we crashed the server and forced Mythic to rethink their design but that's not what this is about). 800 People divided by the 6 Gold bags that drop off the Fortress Lord multiplied by the number of times Fortresses are actually captured equals some seriously shitty chances of you being able to get full Conqueror.

-The design of Talisman make set gear better then non-set gear by a good margin. This causes a lack of variety among people of similar specs even more so then in EQ.

Just my opinion as someone that actually plays the game.

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Ossot

I never read her retarded blog quote article. I know from experience the pain of looking at an item and wondering why the fuck i need weapon skill.

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arturos

its for the uber meelee spec that BWs have...


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Ossot

Rune Priests too. One time i hit something for 30dmg.

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adam person

Lol I may not play the game but I can still tell you that from slight experience that the gear tracks blow in this game. I just realized it at very low tiers and judged it well that it was just as terrible at high tiers. Besides the fact that all you're doing is grinding Scenarios. Scenarios = pve with slight changes in them 95% of the time.

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Jhonas

You'll have to explain that statement. I understand that Scenarios tend to be a more boring version of PvP but it is still PvP everytime. Now if you had said raiding an undefended keep = PvE I could agree with that.

Honestly I do very few scenarios these days though. I spend the majority of the time I'm logged in with a single group of people sneaking into the Dragonwake Warcamp and killing everyone that is standing around queuing up for SP.

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Ossot

Because scenarios are a painful redundant tedious grind.

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Chapel

I disagree its different everytime, because its not PVE its PVP. Each time each person plays the scenario differently and their toons differently, and as such you get a different experience each scenario. Now granted I dont enjoy playing the same scenario 50times in a row, but its still a lot of fun each week queing them up for some fun pvp.

Either way if Jhonas is a female I would like to propose marriage.

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