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Old 02-03-2008, 05:31 AM  
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Default Re: LF the max dps/aa setup/casting order

I didn't have the intention of responding to that initially but since people already made it easier for me i will anyway.
Lots of the tips are useful and while they're being quite explicite here's a few implicite ones. Mashing buttons is the easiest part of being a good warlock. That's actually the last thing u need. First of all, learn what other classes in the raid do. Casting other varies and there's no univercial recipe to maximize your dps. Dps also varies as to how much your raid dps is doing. If you manage high dps, obviously your dps will be stronger than in a raid with weak dps.
Gear. Get a good balance between dmg proc gear, spell crit gear, reuse spell and spell haste gear. However, i rate the highest of all dmg proc gear and spell haste gear, with a close third reuse improve items. I've done some testing lately and although it's a common belief damage proc gear belongs to eof and rok is all about crits, forget that. I still manage to do my best dps on total dmg proc gear.
Warlocks being highly dependant on buffs, make sure you always get a troubadour and preferably dynamism along with Time compression if possible. The last one you're gonna have to earn though.
Last thing, parse. Examine parses and see for yourself the dps your spells do in average, thats the best casting order u can get instead of waiting everything on a silver platter.
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:48 PM  
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To be honest I've been been pretty happy so far trading the aftershocks proc, 5 points in E: Upheaval, and 2 points from E: Absolution and E: Chaostorm for vacous. Using the bloodthirsty 100% of the time with the self-ward has given me a substantial bump up on single targets, and I really haven't noticed a drop-off in my ability to AE. I can only do 8k extdps now on the 4-pulls in Vaults without a troub/illy when I used to be able to do 10k, but I could never use that spell rotation in a sane raid setting anyway. And tbh I have not noticed many long-lasting enough AE encounters in RoK raids for it to be useful. (Although I've only done T1 so far)
I dunno last night in Protectors Realm Aftershock did 2-3% of my ZW dps. and that is an AE zone as well. On the group of named in that zone it was 5% of my total DPS on that fight. IMO thats enough to keep it for me.

And also why would you waste AA's in the protection line to get vacous? i dunno bout you but i'd rather be in a raid for DPS, not utility.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:25 PM  
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Default Re: LF the max dps/aa setup/casting order

Like I said before...I put 10 points as magi shielding as sort of an "investment" to use the bloodthirsty all the time. So I think of those points as investing in base spell damage, rather than in the ward itself. From there its a 6 AA hop to vacous so I figure why not do it.

And yeah I think 3 crit equals roughly 40 sd if you are not at the cap. In practicallity though, you hit the cap so quickly that its probably closer to 60 or 80. I used to think differently, but then I found this thread: http://www.eq2flames.com/wizards/149...rit-boe-3.html
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:11 AM  
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3k-5k nuke averages around 4k non crit. When it crits, it will hit min 5k to max 7.5k. That's a crit. This averages to 6.25k. So you have won at least 2.25k dmg on the average for critted nukes.

Now if 1% is your crit chance you need to add 1% of the added dmg to your dps from the crits.
1% crits gives 2.25k x 1% = 22.5dmg
10% crits gives 225dmg increase
50% crits gives 1250dmg increase on one nuke

So, with crits you can add your damages by alot realy fast on big nukes. With +dmg spell gear you can add your dmg realy fast if you are a dot class.

As a warlock I do give priority to
1. crits
2. +base dmg proc gear
3. Faster casting, recast
4. +spell dmg
5. dmg proc gear

This is to increase the net dps of a warlock.

So comparing the +40dmg == 3% crit is defenately right (my math is quite rough in this example). But it doesn't keep in mind what kind of nuke you cast.
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3k-5k nuke averages around 4k non crit. When it crits, it will hit min 5k to max 7.5k. That's a crit. This averages to 6.25k. So you have won at least 2.25k dmg on the average for critted nukes.
Uhmmmm not realy.

The damage range from 3000 - 3846 produce a 5001 hit permanently (that are 42% of the damage range from that spell).
The damage range from 3847 -5000 produce a linear crit hit btw 5001 - 6500 (not 7500) =5751 average.(that are 58% of the range from spell)

(42% of 5001 =2100) + (58% of 5751 =3336)= 5436

5436 is the average crit that a spell hits with a damage range 3k-5k


So you have won at least 1.43k dmg on the average for critted nukes.

Now if 1% is your crit chance you need to add 1% of the added dmg to your dps from the crits.
1% crits gives 1.43k x 1% = 14.3dmg
10% crits gives 143dmg increase
50% crits gives 718dmg increase on one nuke


the efficiency of a crit is depending on the spells basedamage range

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Old 02-05-2008, 02:40 PM  
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Pharacyde your logic is terrible. Spell damage or Bolt of Energy as it's often called, is total crap. There's no way on earth it beats damage proc gear, especially with propagations,. My dmg proc gear gives me 10%+ of my total dps. Enahnced with a dark orb of the mind and with bloodthirsty choker, procs become even so more efficient while spell damage becomes further more inefficient. Also, spell haste dominates by far crits for warlocks, an argument which goes even more convincing when u hit orange raid mobs and the actual spell crit is lower than your spell crit to white mobs.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:46 PM  
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Yeah pharacyde, look at your parses some time. You will find that your actual number of crits comes nowhere close to your actual crit rate except on low green mobs. You can't reduce it to simple math.

And another thing, the more spell haste you have the more powerful spelldamge is because it gets applied more often. And the more crits you have, the more spell damage you can utilize. And the greater your spell haste, the more you can proc. The lower your recast time, the greater chance your crits will hit our big dps spells like Apoc and Upheaval, which only get 1/3 the benefit of spell damage.

Because all the variables are multicollinear we cannot isolate any single one of them in a vaccum. We have to approximate and make assumptions.
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