Propagations - Nerfed - Page 4

Fnar · 02-08-2008, 11:58 AM

So... we have confirmation on Loc and temp, I'm assuming that the Dirge ability does it as well now?

That was one of the big things for Dirges to go for and now I'm having trouble even seeing the point of that line.

So now that's it's "spell only" base and not effecting items, this means that those 3 AA lines have been converted to being useful on, what, like 6 spells in the game?

That my friends is retarded.

Pheronecius · 02-08-2008, 01:09 PM

still helps with stoneskin procs, taunt procs, damage procs, the warden heal procs etc, it isn't useless just less beneficial. propogations is still one of the best lines for warlocks.

Aralas · 02-08-2008, 01:23 PM

IT is useless for warlocks i almost might as well get another point in magi's shielding

Roukai · 02-08-2008, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pheronecius

still helps with stoneskin procs, taunt procs, damage procs, the warden heal procs etc, it isn't useless just less beneficial. propogations is still one of the best lines for warlocks.

Only if your in the MT/oT group, otherwise... /rage

Lorandak · 02-08-2008, 07:03 PM

It went down like this:

Dev Mgt 1: Epics are coming out guys, we need a way to make sure they arent overpowered... we must control these items!

Dev Mgt 2: First thing we have to do is make sure they never ever proc more often than we specifically intend - lest Norrath explode from epic proccidy goodness!

Coder 1: Crap we have no mechanic to keep one type of item from being effected by procs that all the others are effected by! Thats going to take a ton of work to incorporate...

Coder 2: /ezmode nerfs all proc effecting spells... Done! /gets raise

/speculation off

Ancient Rites · 02-08-2008, 07:31 PM

After seeing the epic and it's proc ......

Yeah, epics ARE the reason they nerfed Props, period.

I won't spoil it for those who don't know, but if you wanna see what I mean, go to the thread about our epic and check the last page, and then check out other classes epics.

Saying they "fixed" it is bullshit, pure bullshit.

It is a flat out fucking nerf, because the procs on the epics are prety damn sweet, and if the Warlock one + props would be pretty powerful, although I don't think I can go as far as to say overpowered...

Mezelline · 02-09-2008, 04:08 AM

Well all epics have a tag "this effect cannot be modified except by direct means" so I don't see the rationale of nerfing proc stuff now.

Luck of the dirge still affects equipment procs, I don't know if it affects epic procs. I find it amusing that if you don't need the deaggro dirges are actually on close/equal terms with troubs in a mage group now. It would be simply luck of the dirge+stoneskin vs. aria+pom+deaggro. Dunno about the new resist changes, hopefully dove song will become more useful.

Teresita · 02-09-2008, 09:52 AM

So, end result, it looks like it is decided that Prop pretty much is useless.. Since I used this page to spec my Warlock.. What route in AA's would you say to take now? Any idea, looking for the best possible spec for high DPS in a raid.. if you can help with a spell order too that would be great.. I know, million other threads, but if one of you all powerful 80's could send me a pm, I'd be very grateful...

Gracias Amigos!!

Korvac · 02-09-2008, 10:08 AM

Prop is pretty much useless now, I woulda rather seen it become a self only buff working how it used to than to basically erase it. But even so, that line is still far superior than the other 2 pieces of shit we have to choose from. Lets see, gift,broodlings, and netherealm vs deaggroes or nil crystal spells. IMO not a hard choice at all.

Mezelline · 02-09-2008, 11:23 AM

I dunno I think Vacous is worth more than props now. Deaggros aren't thrilling, but we can get alot of dps from running bloodthirsty+magi shielding (or our fury can by not having to heal us as much). Vacous is 5 points less than props, so we can put 5 AAs in our noxious debuff as well, which will help the raid as a whole. (or 5 points into encase if you're greedy)

And the enhanced deaggros are at least mildly useful, allowing us to chug out ~200 more dps per mob without pulling aggro, and 100 dps per mob for other people in our group. Nothing stellar, but better than nothing.Remember that the proc increaser nerfs are going to hurt tank aggro control too.

With props, each mage in a caster group is only going to get a 0.2% dps increase on both aria and tandem. So assuming 5 mages, the group as a whole will get 1% on aria, and maybe an extra 0.5% from tandem. If you have a necro in the group their lich would get maybe 2% more dps. So going props you're looking at 4.5% dps for the group as a whole, or 1% dps per mage. Those points are better spent elsewhere.

Gift has always done a tiny amount of dps, broodlings rarely lasts its full duration, and the netherrealm enhancement doesn't result in any extra dps unless the fight lasts longer than 1.5 minutes, and even then it's going to do maybe 10% more dps than normal; it usually does 5% of my dps on my parses so its a 0.5% increase in the perfect situation.