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04-03-2008, 12:59 PM
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MORE DPS!!
Character: Roukai
Guild: Shattered Moon
Server: Kithicor
Posts: 192
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
What im disapointed about is that they buff the mobs with more wisdom to increase the resists for the spell casters to balance out melee classes and their lack of hit rate. Fine.. i can understand that. This upcoming GU, they are increasing the hit rate of melee classes and finally adding the ammo for bows to lvl 70 and changing the way the bow do damage (a needed change imo). So now you have the scout classes who parse very well to having the ability to parse well above what they do now if they have the right equipment and know what they are doing. Also with the new update they are changing the VP sets to include better stats, equiped buffs and set bonuses ... So, with all these changes to make certain classes feel the love so to speak, where are the linked mobs? PR, Overking, and in group instances. What are the changes to our end game set pieces? Most are to our group dot and Aoe's.. yes our Mythical helps make our group do single target, but when they change what we do as warlocks, aoe's and encounter damage, i wonder why they go through all that work to make it so we can do single target, when with a few changes to even trash to make them group encounter, we might all be better off as a raid and as a class to really feel we are doing what we rolled to do. By buffing the mobs, then increasing the stats on gear, don't they negate each other?
I'm sadened that of all the work that SoE does to change an expansion that has been out almost 6 months, still doesn't get to to core of certain problems with class design vs. game design. I love my warlock, i love the abilities that i can do and what the class can do, but i don't like being hampered by lack of content, and lack of vision for class design. Feeling like that i have to farm a group zone to hope for a drop that there is no equal in raid content in a higher tier is sad. ... but don't mind me.. im just a ranting crazed warlock..
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04-04-2008, 11:11 AM
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Character: Aalaria
Guild: Paradigm
Server: Oasis
Posts: 17
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
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Originally Posted by Vorphalak
Sure, we're not first tier DPS against single mobs. But we haven't been ever since LU 13.
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04-04-2008, 11:36 AM
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Lockness
Character: Saltaf
Guild: Voracity
Server: Kithicor
Posts: 576
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
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Originally Posted by Aalaria
WHA??!?!?
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news to me too
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04-06-2008, 02:59 AM
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Character: Xaabag
Guild: Shattered Moon
Posts: 33
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
Most times I agree.. but your are beating assys and wizards in CL with single target dps? I find that hard to believe. This may be an issue of how many are in "top tier".
Xaa
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04-06-2008, 07:51 AM
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Lord of the Thirteen Hells, Emperor of the Undead...and mayor of a little village up the coast
Character: Vorphalak
Guild: Vivere Militare Est
Server: Valor
Posts: 8
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
Oh, come on now.
As I said, I'm talking about players of equal skill here.
If the Wizard or Assassin or even Bruiser (not tanking) knows what he's doing there's no frickin way a Warlock can beat him on a single target.
Anyway, I don't mind too much. I play to have fun, not to drool about 'my numbers are bigger than yours'.
If the class was so bad that no group or raid wanted a Warlock anymore, then we'd have a serious problem. But at least on Valor that's not the case.
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04-06-2008, 01:20 PM
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Lockness
Character: Saltaf
Guild: Voracity
Server: Kithicor
Posts: 576
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
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Originally Posted by Xaabag
Most times I agree.. but your are beating assys and wizards in CL with single target dps? I find that hard to believe. This may be an issue of how many are in "top tier".
Xaa
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04-06-2008, 08:34 PM
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Powermad
Character: Persiius
Guild: Strike
Server: Lucan Dlere
Posts: 537
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
Equal skill equal gear person with the better buffs will win the parse no matter if its a wizard or warlock. End of story.
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04-06-2008, 11:01 PM
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Mezelast
Character: Mezelast
Guild: Vendetta
Server: Najena
Posts: 237
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
Assuming optimal buffs/debuffs in decent duration fights (1.5min+) I've found that yeah warlocks can match equally skilled wizard/assassin/swash single-target dps. Maybe not on the extdps charts due to the nature of hate transfer or big hit, long-recast abilities, but on the pure dps charts. Likewise with Conj/Necro on short duration multimob fights, they get to open up quicker due to splitting their aggro with pets.
The more trash, the shorter duration the fights are, the more time there is inbetween fights, the balance swings more to the scout classes. But who cares about trash dps. Longer fights and jousting swings back the advantage to us. I've never met a wizard that could consistently single-target outdps me, cetris paribus. On some fights match perhaps, on both single-target as well as AE, but never consistantly outparse.
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Mezelast - Najena's first 80 Warlock
Mezelardo - 80 Paladin
Mezelina - 80 Berserker - Retired due to SOE hate
Mezelline - 70 Defiler - Retired due to SOE love
I  AE IN '08
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04-07-2008, 05:50 PM
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Character: Izey
Server: Everfrost
Posts: 17
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
Fuck SOE-Tards for even making the class. They Have NO idea what to do with it. I have played/raided with warlock since launch and have seen nothing but nurfs (unbreakable group nukes ect.) and nothing to serve the warlock or his group/raid...Such as Evac! (Wizzy gets this as you know) Not only that, NIL...WTF... this shit should have been removed with shard recovery.
I know the fucking wizzy and warlock are different classes...so where are the fucking linked encounters that will allow the warlock to show his true power...fucking seriously, what’s the point
It's sad that a class with SO much potential...will at this point likely never be realized.
In the end it truly saddens me to leave the game that has so much potential, I love to play, I love the people, but cannot overlook the fact that SOE will never do anything for the warlock.
SOE is out for the buck, while this is understandable…they should also have enough respect for the players who put time, money, and effort into the game…and as for the warlocK this has all gone unanswered.
FUCK SOE! I dont even know why I troll these forums hoping for a change. 
Last edited by Izey; 04-07-2008 at 05:51 PM.
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04-07-2008, 07:43 PM
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Powermad
Character: Persiius
Guild: Strike
Server: Lucan Dlere
Posts: 537
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Re: Gotta love when we're not considered top tier dps in raids by the damn devs themselves
Encounters where warlocks shine over any other class is most of the avatars, and it's your problem if you haven't been part of an avatar-killing guild. This whining is pointless and we've already been through this many times in different threads so i do'nt really wanna read any more "warlocks suck" posts. If you think that either reroll/quit the game as you've apparently already done. To be honest i don't really like this game in its current state either but i'm kinda addicted to it regardless and not really wanna quit despite all the nerfs and that propagation nerf which nearly pushed me.
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