Investing in a warlock - Page 3

Pestis · 04-23-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

We're not comparing situations, we're comparing classes. All the rest is assumed to be equal when comparing classes.

No shit :/ If you actually read what I said and not what you wanted it to say, you would see my point was, neither class is better than the other.

And yes, to determine which class is best for 'you' , you have to take the different situations you will run into in effect.

SirAmoel · 04-24-2008, 07:02 AM

It seems like you can't keep this kind of thread from burning in a huge flamewar at eq2flames *lol*

Remann · 04-25-2008, 07:24 PM

I have a guard, assassin, lock and templar. The one I seem to be having the most fun with is, my lock. I two box with my templar, sit back and knock out heroics. Tried the same thing with my wifes wizzy, the dots and dmg just weren't there for the wizzy. Single target she does ok, any social aggro or group encounters, I toss up a reactive on my lock, and nuke em into oblivion.

My opinion.... Lock over Wizzy.

SirAmoel · 04-27-2008, 03:48 PM

Thanks for the tip Remann

Mezelline · 04-27-2008, 08:46 PM

I have never seen an equally-geared/buffed wizard outparse my warlock, except in single-target fights that last less than 10seconds. I have seen a couple other warlocks get close to me though.

Which is kinda crazy if you think about it, given there's a bajillion Wizards out there and very few Warlocks.

SirAmoel,
Since it sounds like you are a minmaxer, I would definitely recommend the warlock. Warlocks are fun because there is the added challenge in walking the aggro-line. AE aggro management is much more difficult than single-target, and in order to push yourself over the top of wizards you need to push the aggro further than any other class.

Playing a wizard is much like a science, you go thru different spell orders until you find the one that gives you the best result in ACT, and then you just run that algorithm when you're playing; there's no risk, because any proper tank will be able to hold single-target just fine with the proper tools. Playing a warlock is more like an art form; you should still be running ACT, but you have to be more flexible, considering not only damage output, but also considering AE aggro, which tanks have much more difficulty with.

A wizard is like a piece of fruit, delicious if allowed to ripen properly. A warlock is more like a blossom, not much to look at while it is in a bud, but when its petals are all allowed to bloom it is more beautiful than any fruit imaginable. ;)

Velizar · 04-28-2008, 02:42 AM

Lets put it this way without all the gay roleplay bullshit. As long as you "push buttons" u can hardly go wrong on a wizard. Playing a warlock isn't rocket science either, though you always have at least 3-4 spells u can choose from which are all valid choices while in the middle of your spell rotation. The warlock actually fully envolves the term casting order. And aoe agro isn't a problem with the mythical weapon, even makes you cast more aoe's to proc it. Equal gear, equal skill, the wizard shines in single target and has a decent amount of aoe dps, however the warlock will absolutely overwhelm any other class in terms of aoe dps while giving a pretty good contribution on single mobs. All depends if u prefer seeing big hits on a sole mob or overshadow everyone else's numbers on an aoe fight.

Korvac · 04-28-2008, 04:07 AM

About the whole aggro issue. Now I've had my myth for quite awhile now and have been disappointed in the "deaggro" aspect of it.Even with the myth I am having a terrible time on aggro. Now normally it'd be easy to just push it off on the tank. But I would think with my myth and my tanks having their myths I would see at least a small drop in my ability to peel. If anything my aggro has worsened...by alot. The other night on flame I had 82% deaggro according to my persona screen(which I dunno if I believe) and I still peeled at the drop of a hat.

I know alot of these threads have smartass responses like find another tank but in all honesty, do you mythical wielders have no issues with aggro at all?

Belthezan · 04-28-2008, 06:10 AM

This is honestly a question asking what flavor it is this month/duration of this expansion. Wizard. What flavor was it last month? Wizard.

Wizards this tier have everything they had over us every tier before, that SoE never adds up. They have their group evac (we can get personal with roots/tinkered items), their frigid gift (raid utility bonus), mez (semi-raid/solo), and their heavy single target nukes and snares that make them better soloers. In raids they're less likely to die since they focus their damage where the tanks have duel taunts running as opposed to ae encounters, and let us not forget mostly all content is always going to be single target.

The mythical answer to those plights was a slap in the face. Two effects that increase our amount of swarm pets that die every ae (timing gets you only so far),a shitty proc chance dehate, and a 30% increase on 2 spells (compare to assassin mythical). This is to combat the wizard mythical that received a 10% constant increase in base damage on everything, 10% double attack and damage, and more damage.

For me to answer your question I need to know more.

Do you intend on playing end game content? Getting your mythical? Raiding on this wizard, this tier?

If the answer is yes to all those questions then listen to Udoaka and go Wizard. The flavor is Wizard, and to put it bluntly, Warlocks simply got the short end of a bunch of sticks.

SirAmoel · 04-28-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mezelline

I have never seen an equally-geared/buffed wizard outparse my warlock, except in single-target fights that last less than 10seconds. I have seen a couple other warlocks get close to me though.

Which is kinda crazy if you think about it, given there's a bajillion Wizards out there and very few Warlocks.

SirAmoel,
Since it sounds like you are a minmaxer, I would definitely recommend the warlock. Warlocks are fun because there is the added challenge in walking the aggro-line. AE aggro management is much more difficult than single-target, and in order to push yourself over the top of wizards you need to push the aggro further than any other class.

Playing a wizard is much like a science, you go thru different spell orders until you find the one that gives you the best result in ACT, and then you just run that algorithm when you're playing; there's no risk, because any proper tank will be able to hold single-target just fine with the proper tools. Playing a warlock is more like an art form; you should still be running ACT, but you have to be more flexible, considering not only damage output, but also considering AE aggro, which tanks have much more difficulty with.

A wizard is like a piece of fruit, delicious if allowed to ripen properly. A warlock is more like a blossom, not much to look at while it is in a bud, but when its petals are all allowed to bloom it is more beautiful than any fruit imaginable. ;)

Best answer so far

Oh, and I'd really apreciate if you define "minmaxer" for me.

Velizar · 04-28-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Belthezan

This is honestly a question asking what flavor it is this month/duration of this expansion. Wizard. What flavor was it last month? Wizard.

Wizards this tier have everything they had over us every tier before, that SoE never adds up. They have their group evac (we can get personal with roots/tinkered items), their frigid gift (raid utility bonus), mez (semi-raid/solo), and their heavy single target nukes and snares that make them better soloers. In raids they're less likely to die since they focus their damage where the tanks have duel taunts running as opposed to ae encounters, and let us not forget mostly all content is always going to be single target.

The mythical answer to those plights was a slap in the face. Two effects that increase our amount of swarm pets that die every ae (timing gets you only so far),a shitty proc chance dehate, and a 30% increase on 2 spells (compare to assassin mythical). This is to combat the wizard mythical that received a 10% constant increase in base damage on everything, 10% double attack and damage, and more damage.

For me to answer your question I need to know more.

Do you intend on playing end game content? Getting your mythical? Raiding on this wizard, this tier?

If the answer is yes to all those questions then listen to Udoaka and go Wizard. The flavor is Wizard, and to put it bluntly, Warlocks simply got the short end of a bunch of sticks.

Dude... just shut the fuck up. I'm honestly sick and tired of your bitching about how much warlocks suck compared to wizards. As i've said before if you're such a huge wizard fanboy just betray and choose easymode. While i did play the guild's wizard in VP lately and put out some impressive single target numbers i do agree the mythicals need to get balanced in terms of dps boost and they're looking into it now, further mythical changes are set for next LU, so chill out and see what happens. Rumour is they're working to improve most of the mythicals and i've faith the warlock one will become superior.
Still don't forget one thing - wizards are supposed be single target specialists, us - aoe kings. The original design of mythicals follows this pattern so no need to whine about things that respond to game mechanics.
One more time - if you think warlocks suck that much, either 1/betray 2/ reroll 3/ quit, but stop fucking bitching.
Warlocks might have gotten the nerf in terms of raid utility, however they shine in a top raid environment in some fights and are pretty good single target dps.
About soloing - i solo just as well as any wizard, its true you have to take some precautions on caster mobs and not just mezz/bolt of ice, remezz and wait for bolt of ice recast and use situational gear. If you're gonna compare solo abilities while striving to be a top end raider, you sir, are a total retard.