lightcloud

guess your missing the point. wizies single target. were aoe. so why does a wizies aoe spell dwarf ours in every way except for heroic and below trash?

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Korvac

because they collectively complain till they get what they want. We tend to argue back and forth amongst ourselves and never get the good shit.

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Berrbe

And the simple fact, Yes I am at blame here so have no room to talk. Not a lot of people post on the official forums saying so and so, this and that.

pyrotesss

i wish they'd stop putting that gay ass 30 sec reuse on upheavel for legs and instead add some dmg to it, like say 5k would be nice...that way it didn't such horribly other then the few times its useful. upheavel is easily the most overrated warlock spell in terms of people thinking its some great spell when in reality its real good 1% of the time and shitty 99% of the time. the cast speed vs dmg it does means u have to have a mass amt of adds for it to really be good and that is virtually never the case even in tso. and thats the beef with fission vs upheavel fission is useful on every mob in game upheavel isn't. and the fact a double atk fission on 3 mobs still > upheavel on 12 a good chunk of the time doens't help. i've seen 80-90k fissions never seen an upheavel past 35.

lightcloud

upheav is useless. why waste a good item on it? rather get another tick or base damage to devastion. even 5k isnt enough to make it usefull. it would need to be 20-30k base damage to be usefull. in the time it takes to cast. hit your two main nukes. and itll be more than upheavs damage easy. someone go bitch on offical forums. upheav needs to be taken off legs. and devastion upgrade should go there.

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pyrotesss

eh i'd be happy with 5 if it was base dmg, that plus crit mult would make it worthwhile. thats an extra 7-10k dmg on it, i could live w/ that. but the problem is the 5k base should really just be put in the spell u shouldnt' need to have pants to make it to that pt..

Naeca

idk remember a time when i would cast rift/upheavel even twice a raid, lol

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dakkota

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On a group of 3 a wizzy can keep up with a warlock if Fission has a sweet hit or good DA. But like, in the big picture...I will never demolish waves of adds like a warlock can over and over and over and over and over throughout a fight. Locks and Wizzies have a nice synergy together. I think it helps dps greatly in that with a lock present a wizzy can maintain strong single target dps on a named while a lock blows up waves of adds without much trouble or help needed. Its about working together cmon, were all in the same raid .

Sorceres are great and everyone should have a handful, and nothing more valuble than a solid lock imo. Sup Gynok?

I dunno me and pers ran thru even a heroic zone together and I was below him significantly in hollow tower. And in raids were not far apart either, give or take depending the mob were fighting. /shrug

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LightCC

Upheval is higher dps eff. than absolution, plus is blue aoe and 12 target max.


Not that the extra 4 targets out of encounter are normally going to do anything but get you killed if they are present...

But it's still a crappy spell. Reuse should be 1 min tops on it. Takes way too long to cast, the adds are often dead by the time I finish casting.

Stupid coercers and their stupid easy-mode burst aoe dps. :D

lightcloud

upheav either needs huge +base damage added. or its still useless (1min recast be cool for instance, still wouldnt make it raid worthy). its only good for instances. either that. or stop fucking putting it on our fucking armor sets you stupid fucks!!!!!! i like how they stopped putting it on new gear. absolution gonna be pimp with the new set. another +30%

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