Pinski

Hardly. It means you cast 2 AEs and say you don't get the RNG to side with you and end up not getting any of the 4 mobs to get hit by a proc, and you die, grats RNG!

They can make it so it only procs ONCE per AE spell cast, you do know that right?

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LightCC

lol.

First you complain that it's a chance to proc, not a guarantee. Well, hate your luck, that's the mechanic. What do you want, a proc every x number of secs you are in combat?

It's a proc chance based on cast+recovery time. Whether it's one opportunity to proc on all the ae mobs at once, or an individual chance on each mob, is irrelevant. I thought it made one roll and if it hit it was on all of the mobs at once, just like crits are, but if not, and it's individual checks, who cares? It's still going to average hitting each mob 7.2 times per minute or whatever the proc rate is, based on me casting continuously.

If I can't count on it all the time, I'd rather have it hitting some mobs and not others so at least I only get beat on by one or two instead of all of them when it fails!

Besides, right now damage in an AE is variable to each mob, so hate is already variable. Are you wanting to change those mechanics too?

pyrotesss

the dehate proc will only proc on the target that it's check is on. so on a 5 mob encounter on those 5 checks if it goes off twice that means u deaggroed 2 of those 5. hence the desire for it to be on encounter like mythical proc and like both of our deaggros are. it would be a fair exchange for us to have that and wiz's to have 8% dehate. it would be fitting for the classes and play to each classes strengths/weaknesses imo.

LightCC

Right, but the other side is that then when it doesn't proc it doesn't proc on any of them. That's all I'm saying... I'd rather have 5 checks and it hit 1 every absolution, then have it miss all 5 80% of the casts.

Either way, it's the same amount of dehate.

Kolug

I have no idea how u can think it's same yeah. Dehate amount may be same. but situation is very big different. Let's think there is 4 mobs. A,B,C and D. And dehate proc checks individually. It proced on A,B,C, but not D. then u can't cast next AE because D has high threat although A, B and C have low. In the extreme case. there are 4 mobs, and dehate never proced on one mob, then u can't cast AE because of that fucking not-proced mob. But if dehate proced on all mobs at same time, we can keep to cast AE. That's why I insisted proc should be 'on ecnounter', not 'on target'. Don't think AE fight like as single target fight. I wonder why ppl always think AE fight like as single target fight.

LightCC

These dehates are going to be pretty small compared to the total hate number. Just like any other aoe fight, if your tank can't consistently hold aggro on you when you are full out, you'll have to scale back a bit and throw more single target mixed in with the aoes.

An average dehate amount is just that, there will be runs both directions. The way you're describing your fights you need to be worried that aoe spells don't hit for the same amount on every mob in the encounter - which means some mobs have more hate than others - already.

pyrotesss

ummmm ae proc and same proc rate means higher amt of total dehate... i may just be a lot more drunk then i think i am but im fairly sure ur thinking bout this wrong. 5 chances to check on absolution on a 5 target mob and when one check procs, it procs a dehate to the entire encounter tho im sure one of them will probabily resist. either way the rate of 7.7x a min to make the proc stays the same and that means 5x more dehate roughly, realisticaly prob 4x as much. but once again i just got home from drinking so /shrug