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Old 03-04-2009, 02:55 PM  
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QFE. And only 3 pts in gift instead of 5?? wow. i stopped raiding on a warlock a few months ago but geez even now i can notice so much stupidity in people's AA setups. Dissolve is not to warlocks what Beam is to illusionists.
haha that would be nice if it was!
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:19 PM  
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If you've never run the numbers, I understand why people use dissolve so much - the game practically points them to it the way it's designed. It's the spell that updates the most as you level, it's up the most, it's got the very first AAs for it in the EoF tree, etc. etc.

It's like Sony is pointing you to your crappiest spell and telling you to use it.

As for the reuse, with the mythical, absolution should fill the gaps, and possibly even take the place of encase, but flames gives you flat out more dps for the time spent casting it. When it is up, it needs to be cast pretty soon, it's the first spell I hit after my normal mainstays are done - acid, distortion, arma, thunderclap, aura, etc.

Even though distortion is a little lower dps efficiency, it's normally better to cast it first I've found to make sure the casting order keeps going. I'm starting to cast absolution a little bit sooner in the order for the same reason. Some of those focus:absolution pieces would really be nice about now I'm thinking
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:55 AM  
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Got asked for a basic cast order, it definitely differs based on the mob and the duration of fights but for a general idea


netherealm - 5 to pull
gift of bertox - 2 to pull
Incommmmingggggggg
acid storm
acid
^^ those 2 can't get resisted, but that should be known info ^^
vacuum field
aura of void
thunderclap
bewilderment
^^ 2 fast casting spells, mob should be debuffed primarly at this point, hope for a proc of some sort ^^
freehand + armageddon(Najena ring clicky if its up/youhave it also)
plaguebringer
distortion

Absolution
cataclysm
flames
brood infest


Always keep your dots running without over casting them. Making sure that is obvious
Oh and try to keep gift running.
If the mob has an ae on pull it's not wise to throw up acid storm since itll um..........die?
This is how I roll, peoples are different and i'm not saying its right by any sense


Hopefully that works out for you, do enjoy

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:12 PM  
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not to nit pick, but netherealm is only 20 sec in duration...5 sec before pull + the time it takes the mob to be in range and it seems you're cutting out like half the effectivness...i usually wait just a tad longer to precast, just to get as much out of the spell as i can...i could be wrong though, maybe that's why i'm the server's 3rd worst warlock

then again, considering tank math, the 5 sec count from your tank and the 5 sec count from mine might be 2 completely different things.
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:26 PM  
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If the mob has an ae on pull it's not wise to throw up acid storm since itll um..........die?


Acid Storm is ae immune... that's the first thing i checked and reported on when I tested it.

Nor can it get aggro by the way. Root a mob next to it to test... never know, they may have changed things since I stopped playing.

Only time i've seen it as a problem is when it gets warmongered.
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:32 PM  
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not to nit pick, but netherealm is only 20 sec in duration...5 sec before pull + the time it takes the mob to be in range and it seems you're cutting out like half the effectivness...i usually wait just a tad longer to precast, just to get as much out of the spell as i can...i could be wrong though, maybe that's why i'm the server's 3rd worst warlock

then again, considering tank math, the 5 sec count from your tank and the 5 sec count from mine might be 2 completely different things.
Using the quote as a directional of where this is coming from... not saying you are wrong... because you are right... I just want to add a bit more to this.


The way netherealm works is that it refreshes an aura on all mobs in radius every x seconds (based on how many aa you have in warlock tree). When you cast, it applies... it has one charge which if procced does damage then it overrides that charge x seconds later.

If you can time it so that someone will proc that first charge before the second one applies, you can precast and won't lose any damage from the spell. Hopefully that makes sense for everyone.

And a side comment on the aa for the spell. The aa reduces the duration of the spell. And for those who look at this and say "Why would I not want my dot to tick for as long as possible?" (I have gotten the question before) what this means is that it does the same damage but it ticks faster instead. This is good for multiple reasons. If you are fighting a mob that has one beefy mob and lots of weak mobs it will get more ticks off before the initial grouping of adds goes down. In terms of long duration single target mobs this is also good because the reuse timer on netherealm starts when the spell has run it's course. The faster it ends the sooner you can recast it.


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Old 03-09-2009, 02:38 PM  
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Netherealm - Yes i know Punnkin about the duration, I'm just throwing out a general time when to cast it, I have it down to a science in saints just cause have gotten used to our tank
and Saltaf, I don't know if Acid Storm got changed but I casted it on war on pull once it got positioned and it died to his retarded ae, and on a named in Palace so not sure what's up with it.

Will pay closer attention, could be something else.

Thought of something, could have proc'd its damage shield and killed the acid storm based off that
/shrug idk what's up though

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:43 PM  
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yeah berrbe read my last line. i know there are times i hear "inc in 5" and if i cast it then, it would totally expire before the mob is in range.
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yeah berrbe read my last line. i know there are times i hear "inc in 5" and if i cast it then, it would totally expire before the mob is in range.
I did !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and yeah some tanks 5 secs is like 20 or when someone says "waittttt my temps buff aren't up" ours get fucked
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:50 PM  
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I casted it on war on pull once it got positioned and it died to his retarded ae
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