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Berrbe · 03-09-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Saltaf

Warmongers

Probably on the 3 pulls it took to kill it, weird ass raid setup cause people forgot about moving their clocks an hour forward.
I was mongered I swear 50% of the time

Saltaf · 03-09-2009, 02:56 PM

no no... your pet getting mongered... pets get mongered on that fight too

that's why the mob is actually targeted on your acid storm, and owns it pretty fast, it dies and raid D&C

I stopped using it for war after that.

Berrbe · 03-09-2009, 03:00 PM

Yeah for sure I know this, was more referring to how much I got mongered.
I'm not on now, trying to fix my computer, i'd go test acid storm to see if i can get agro.

War is a horrid example to use acid storm on lol, stun fest,mongers everywhere :/

Not trying to argue just wondering if it got changed out of ae immune

LightCC · 03-09-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Saltaf

Acid Storm is ae immune... that's the first thing i checked and reported on when I tested it.

Nor can it get aggro by the way. Root a mob next to it to test... never know, they may have changed things since I stopped playing.

Only time i've seen it as a problem is when it gets warmongered.

I've had it die to a few other aes... just like there are a few player skills (SKs have at least 1) that will break mez.

I heard a resist go off when I cast this the other day, but I'm pretty sure it was just a proc that got reisisted... too busy fighting to check and forgot about it afterwards so didn't check the parse...

Saltaf · 03-09-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LightCC

I've had it die to a few other aes... just like there are a few player skills (SKs have at least 1) that will break mez.

I heard a resist go off when I cast this the other day, but I'm pretty sure it was just a proc that got reisisted... too busy fighting to check and forgot about it afterwards so didn't check the parse...

yea proc, i get a confused face when i hear the resist sound on this and acid as well

TheOtherDude · 03-10-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LightCC

4513 Acid (full duration, M2, no TSO AAs or poison mastery)
4456 Absolution (with mythical, M2, All TSO AAs, +30% equipment bonuses)
4449 Flames of Velious (yes, the TSO AAs are worth it...)
4385 Acid Storm (not precast, full 30 s duration)
4143 Distortion (no Focus:Distortion mods)
3892 Master Strike
3882 Absolution (same as below, but M2)
3844 Vacuum Chamber (full duration)
3779 Absolution (M1, with mythical clicky on, All TSO AAs, no equipment bonuses)
3728 Encase
3409 Upheval
3155 Cataclysm
3149 Dissolve (with 5 EoF AAs and 5 TSO AAs)

No clue how you guys get such high efficiency numbers from Acid (without TSO AAs in it, at least). Mine is only M1, but I have it at lower efficiency than Distortion.

Taking these numbers from just standing in my guild hall...

Acid efficiency:
1065.5 + 262.5*6 = 2640.5 damage
.74 + .5 = 1.24 OOCT
2640.5 / 1.24 = 2129 Efficency

Distortion efficiency:
5574.5 damage
1.86 + .5 = 2.36 OOCT
5574.5 / 2.36 = 2349 Efficency

Am I missing something here? Even if you had like 100% casting haste and capped Distortion at 1.5 seconds (with just 66.6% haste), I'd still have Distortion coming out slightly ahead. Unless I'm just being retarded, the only thing I have modifying Distortion is the EoF AA (5 points). I don't have the Shard of Hate robe or anything.

My Master Strike comes out slightly ahead of Acid too, so that must be where I'm messing up the calculation. Any help would be appreciated.

Berrbe · 03-10-2009, 10:57 PM

He was raid buffed, troub 10% damage to spells buff, etc etc

LightCC · 03-11-2009, 06:44 PM

Not sure the difference TheOtherDude, but if you will post the following I'll throw it in the spreadsheet and maybe I can see what it is...

Give me your stand alone, self-buffed haste, reuse, and recovery (persona plus equipment arcane/emperian mods), spell crit, +SD mods, INT, spell crit mod, and base damage (WIS line, MC cloak, any other gear that's not a proc), also, if you have Empowered magic from shard shoulders, list that separate.

I'll assume 5 AA into acid and distortion in the EoF tree, and none in TSO, and no poison mastery.

Using my tank spec, but normal dps gear, self-buffed without proc buffs, I've got:

90 crit, 670 SD, 0 base dmg (+8 empowered magic), 2 crit mod (+10 on mythical), 1069 int, 20 total cast haste, 12 reuse, and 0 recovery. That gives me:

Acid tooltip: 761-984, dot 169-314 = 2355 ave normal damage.
Factor in crit mod of 1.47 and 90% crit rate and 19.7% minimum crit and average total damage is 3364 for a total ave dps eff of 2523.

Distortion tooltip: 3556-6028, min crit 22.1% of the time, crit range of 6029-8861, give average normal damage of 4792 and ave crit damage of 6467, figuring 90% crits the ave total damage is 6300 and total ave dps eff of 2439.

It's still slightly less. You might not be factoring in minimum crit percentage, though that's a small difference... Oh, I was factoring it at M2, at M1 it drops acid to 2458, still higher though.

They both have same crit multiplier. Both benefit dps wise from poison mastery the same (both 5% base). TC or UT shouldn't change the eff between them much - distortion will benefit slightly more from the extra cast haste, acid will benefit more from the recovery haste - obviously acid will benefit from the extra tick on UT of course.

I don't know anything else that will make a difference in the dps between the two other than the acid TSO AAs, cast haste (slightly favoring distortion the higher it is), and equipment with focus: distortion.

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EDIT: Oh, duh... +SD... I'm guessing you've got closer to 900 or 1000 +SD or so.

Acid begins capping on the low end around 650 (higher with more base damage), while distortion is far from capped. The higher your +SD the better distortion will get compared to Acid. Not a huge difference, but enough here to swap the order.

TheOtherDude · 03-12-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LightCC

EDIT: Oh, duh... +SD... I'm guessing you've got closer to 900 or 1000 +SD or so.

Acid begins capping on the low end around 650 (higher with more base damage), while distortion is far from capped. The higher your +SD the better distortion will get compared to Acid. Not a huge difference, but enough here to swap the order.

That must be it. I'm at 963 +SD. I didn't realize Acid was even capped 'cause I was just looking at the top end of the range.

Thanks.