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Old 03-03-2009, 11:08 AM  
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Summoners tend to perform better outside of the mage group than sorcerers.
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If both the conj and the necro significantly outdps you given equal group setups, you might want to reroll.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:33 PM  
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lol if that were the case, would reroll trust me...

oh yeah and that's not the permanent setup, just showing what it tends to look like. For example there's not always a paly or whatever....my group lately just is usually some random mix of tanks and scouts and whatever nonsense they want to toss me in there with.

i've just never seen a raiding guild put their warlock in such a group, which is why i asked

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Old 03-03-2009, 06:47 PM  
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Your necro is a fucking tool and then some, and I'm pretty sure i've made this obvious too him before.

He stacks his group for himself and still blows on the parse, mannnnnnnnnnnnnn.
/tell necro, how to be as leet as you

Sure, I could see moving groups around for named, who doesn't but to get a shit group for trash, when its obvious that you beast mode him on the parse.

God, I hope he reads this so I can really put him in his shit hole of a place
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:50 PM  
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easy, easy, i'm trying NOT to start a war here lol, don't want to be kicked from my guild either...

just wanted to make sure i wasn't totally paranoid. thanks
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:59 PM  
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Definitely no hate in me, just a big cuddly wuddly bear
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:23 PM  
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easy, easy, i'm trying NOT to start a war here lol, don't want to be kicked from my guild either...

just wanted to make sure i wasn't totally paranoid. thanks

dude forget about being kicked, ragequit and join a guild with some leadership that has a tiny bit of common sense. of course it would be different if you were averaging 2k on the parse and he was doing 10k.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:36 PM  
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of course it would be different if you were averaging 2k on the parse and he was doing 10k.
noooo no absolutely not. not even close, i mentioned in my original post that i am the highest DPSing mage in the raid, and compete primarily with the assy for top spot so that's not the case.

if i sucked that bad, i wouldn't be posting at all
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:18 AM  
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Based on trash tonight in poao, the buff whoring leader is correct about troub buffs (edit: err, the groupwide proc type that is), comparing our conjy to me. Our group was:

Troub, illy, fury, conj, wizard, warlock

Wizard had TC, Troub doesn't have UT yet, so neither conj or me had any different buffs. Wiz parsed 11k, I had 9.5k, and Conj 7.5k. Conj had a total of 8500 attacks between him and his pet, I only had 4700 attacks, wiz had 4200 (with TC). So, it makes sense that when I look at the individual group proc spells, I see that the conj has the highest, I'm next, and wiz is last.

Some of the group (edit:group-wide proc) spells:
Ice Lash: Conj 430, Me 301, Wiz 270
Precise Note: Conj 510, Me 380, Wiz 306 (SK had 230 for reference)

Switch to procs that don't affect the pet, like Dynamism (it was only on him, not his pet), and:

Dynamism: Wiz 500, Me 490, Conj 380

So the troub group buffs that hit the pet do give more dps to the pet classes, even when they have less total dps.

But if that's the total of his analysis he fails. All single target buffs, and group buffs that don't help the pet, are better on sorcerers... Like the 10% base damage buff from aria with a mythical troub, 5% reuse if he has marrow song, 7.5% crit... bard cast haste... all boosts the sorcerer more than any summoner.

Besides, with a mythical troub (assuming you have one), precision is raid wide, so what is he getting from the troub besides aria? Nothing that's going to aid his pet.

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Old 03-04-2009, 01:43 AM  
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yeah the troub has mythical
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Old 03-09-2009, 04:12 PM  
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its a good job the troub dosent have ut, no doubt he will want ut for himself and tc for his pet
troubie just got upbeat...i thought of this and LOL'd for real
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