Saltaf

yea I understand that, until we know what we keep and what we don't keep we can't decide what is good or not... I actually made a longer post about all this and my internet died while I was posting it so it didn't go thru and I didn't want to re-write it as it didn't matter much.

but yea... I agree.

true, i was referring to dmg procs at the time.

I really think focus effects is a powerful tool as well. Extra ticks on armageddon, netherealm, aura etc. Make any of those 3 work like the shadow aa line boost to acid. Same thing for our other dots. Any of the above.

For Wizard could be things like additional targets for fission or turning some of your dots into 1hit blasts with all ticks added to up-front damage so double spell attacks benefit the full damage of dots. Things like that would be cool to see.


It would be funny to see sony just do something like this for new stats:
+Proc Base Dmg
+Proc Spell Dmg
+Proc Crit Chance
+Proc Crit Mod

mt_always

The question as i meant it to read was what would you need to make you give up your epic.
So your not going to keep anything from your myth.. its sitting in your bank and you have grizzlefazzles walking stick 2.0 equipped.

What would you need / want to have on your gws2.0 ... to actually put your myth away and use this new weapon.

a silly discussion? sure why not.. I did say i was bored at work
But its also a interesting thought... our myths are not going to be the big bad we all got to have it equipped anymore. But depending on what they put out there, will some of us keep using it cause of the deaggro? or the clicky to turn 2 spells into single target ( yah i know its 3 but how often do you cast that 3rd one when your single target).

Saltaf

not sure you follow or not...

in case you do not...

They are planning on making it so you can still keep some of the benefits of your mythical somehow... some have talked about it being able to be in charm slot... maybe it will be able to effect you from being in your bags etc...

so... the only concept of what we would be losing by not wearing it would be the stats that do NOT carry over by not having it equipped.

hopefully that cleared this up

Fomka

Do half of palace trash with your clicky on and the other half without it, then come here and tell us how much it gives you. I say this because I've seen our warlock's forgetting to turn it on on palace trash and how much lower their parses were. It was definetly more than 800 dps.
Where did you get that much boe from? Read the description on the proc lol and do some math

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E.T.I.

ok,let's finally say - you are completely wrong here.
And you know why?

The only one spell that affected by clicky on single-target encounters is Arma,so all we need to understand is "for how many it improves Arma's DMG".Let's take normal warlock(on "normal" I meant the warlock with ~75 base in raid and we all know this isn't so hard to get),so by this numbers Arma IS CAPPED with or without cliky(10 in EoF,10+5 in TSO AAs).

If we will look at the situation by this point - all the benefits Arma gets from clicky is 1by1 boe(like for single-target spell).

As you know Arma hardcapped on 22,5s reuse(anyway,average delay between Armas is 30s),you will gain 1000/30=33,(3)*critbonus*debuffs(for me it is smth near 110) DPS without ring and (~9000(jcap+ring)+~9000(ring)+1000+1000=20000/120=166,(6))*critbonus*debuffs(for me it is ~650) DPS with ring.

And without clicky it is 300/30=10*critbonus*debuffs(~40 for me) DPS without ring and (~3300+~3300+300+300=7200/120=60)*critbonus*debuffs(~240 for me) DPS with ring.

And the final stage.How many 650-240 is? (:

Korvac

Ahh I misread your post fomka, I thought you said your boe gain was 800. Either way, even if your boe gain is 50 I'd take it over that pos "deaggro" proc we got

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Fomka

And how come the last time you forgot to turn your myth on on palace trash your dps was about 2k lower and you was wondering wtf was going on? Just do a palace trash with it and without it, let's see real numbers and not some theoretical nonsense

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Fomka

It's about 370-400. Dunno why you don't like your deagro, I'd take it in a heartbeat

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E.T.I.

All my DPS/Gear/other is based on identical theoretical nonsenses :P If this is the shit then where is the honey? :D

And if you don't remember the real matter of this low DPS was that a day before I tried to farm Akzul and forgot to swap DPS gear back.Seems to be that you've muted vent ... again (:

Fomka

Real numbers > theoretical numbers!) Do a test and prove me wrong 10 mobs with clicky on and 10 without, then let's compare them.

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