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    Default 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    While it's disheartening to see all the changes to BM, part of me is glad since I won't be pigeonholed into playing a soul setup that is tedious (pets ftl) just to preform at the top of my game.

    And well I've always been a fan of paragon, I mean just looking at the tree without crunching numbers and comparing it to others, it seems like would be the pure pve dps soul, everything in it revolves around consistent, predictable dps.

    So what do you guys think? I know there could still be some changes, but I call paragon rising to be highest output dps soul. Now I'm just wondering what pairings will be good. Maybe SLI will be good enough to still hold up BM and make it a top soul for pairing despite nerfs, VK for the potential of massive str increase? Maybe champion to add AoE to a soul that otherwise pretty bare in that category, and a strong finishing move to replace the now possibly gimp shifting blades.

    Thoughts?

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    This is so lame, there is nothing to spec for as dps warrior.

    Champion and Paragon dont work well together because of the 2 different weapon types, so you waste a lot of points.
    And beastmaster seems to be just lol after the patch.

    pure paragon probably wont work because half the talents in there are defensive parry crap noone cares about.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cami View Post
    This is so lame, there is nothing to spec for as dps warrior.

    Champion and Paragon dont work well together because of the 2 different weapon types, so you waste a lot of points.
    And beastmaster seems to be just lol after the patch.

    pure paragon probably wont work because half the talents in there are defensive parry crap noone cares about.
    Well you have a point on champion, its hard to get very high up in the tree while avoiding useless talents as a duel wielder, but you can at least get to bladefury while avoiding all pvp and 2h talents, making a potential for at least a good aoe spec.

    And while BM may get nerfed, I somehow doubt it will be nerfed more than what could be compensated by a gcdless 48% damage buff, provided you have enough energy regen to sustain it without starving yourself too much.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    armor ignore bug gone, DoT damage reduced across the board, backhanded blow being useless, less crit etc.

    if changes go trough like that, you will have trouble coming even close to lets say its ranged counterpart, the necro, who also has a lot of utility ontop of range AND gets buffed by the same patch.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    Dunno, I think Riftblade is still going to be better than Paragon.

    Paragon has, IMO, too many abilities that seem to be built around supporting another soul, but most of the skills are dual wield only. Also, as stated before, it has a lot of +parry junk that is somewhat of a waste.

    I ran with this last night:

    Soul Tree Calculator: Riftblade (41) / Reaver (15) / Paladin (10) :: Rift :: ZAM

    Just hit 50, don't have much AP/CC loot yet, but zw in my runs were between 550-600. Granted, that was facerolling Flame Spear and using Reaver DoTs + Plague Bringer, both of which were nerfed, but I still think it'll be better than a Paragon build.
    Slightly retarded some of the time. Completely the rest.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    Paragon looks decent for 32 points, you can leave out the worst stuff.
    It seems to be a must have for SLI and weaponmaster for all dps builds if changes go trough.
    It lacks ae for trash and dmg finishers, so champion as 2nd soul looks good. champion also has the frenzied strike, a dmg attack off the GCD.
    Maybe beastmaster as 2nd spec, but the nerfs seem to be quite a lot and it lost backhanded blow as off the GCD attack.


    Riftblades singletarget dps wasnt very good and they didnt get a buff, i think a physical build is still needed.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    Soul Tree Calculator: Paragon (28) / Riftblade (22) / Champion (16) :: Rift :: ZAM

    I think this spec may have some synergy with the damage enhancements for damaging attacks and dps buffs.
    Elemental Touch/Blade adds 40points to each ability used.
    They are increasing Strike like Iron buff to make it more desireable to use.

    DW paragon was a good option for most of Alpha back in Nov/Dec, until RB/Champ got their overpoweredness. I was critting so much in the 1-1.3k area with a similar spec back then.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jokael View Post
    Soul Tree Calculator: Paragon (28) / Riftblade (22) / Champion (16) :: Rift :: ZAM

    I think this spec may have some synergy with the damage enhancements for damaging attacks and dps buffs.
    Elemental Touch/Blade adds 40points to each ability used.
    They are increasing Strike like Iron buff to make it more desireable to use.

    DW paragon was a good option for most of Alpha back in Nov/Dec, until RB/Champ got their overpoweredness. I was critting so much in the 1-1.3k area with a similar spec back then.
    This spec looks like it could have some potential, but I would have to see how much damage Elemental Blade actually does in-game... If it works the way the talent reads, it's only going to hit for 38 damage (maybe 52 if Rift Fury scales it), which wouldn't be worth all the points invested to get it unless it was constantly triggering.

    I was looking into possibly shifting more into Champion to pick up improved Slayer's Bearing, since the 25% crit bonus is a huge boost that will effect nearly all damage sources, not just physical like Soldier's Bearing. With Strike Like Lion being off-GCD, I went 7 points deep in Riftblade for Surging Enemy, since the Paragon spec seems to suffer from the same energy starvation that scouts do.

    Paragon (32) / Champion (27) / Riftblade (7)

    Since Strike Like Lion, Rising Waterfall, Way of the Mountain, and even Shifting Blades (LOL, try it yourself) all work with 2-handed weapons, we may even be able to pull off a 2H Champ/Paragon hyrbid with real damage potential.

    Just think how hard a Rising Waterfall critical hit will land for:

    (120% 2H Weapon Damage + 101) * (1.2 from Way of the Mountain) * (2.05 from Critical Hit w/ Slayer's & Force of Will) * (1.96 from Strike Like Iron)

    And you could add another 75% damage to that if you triggered Shifting Blades. Here are 2 sloppy, first-glance specs I threw together built around 2H Champion with Paragon augmenting, one picking up Disruptive Strike and one without:

    Champion (36) / Paragon (30) / Riftblade (0)

    Champion (38) / Paragon (28) / Riftblade (0)

    I see a lot of potential with these changes for both DW and 2H DPS warriors. This patch looks like it's closing one door but opening another.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    This is pulling about 750 DPS single target on a Sanctum dummy self buffed (on the alpha server).

    Obviously the days of 1300 DPS parses are over, but at least with the paragon specs we can stay competitive with melee DPS scouts.

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    Default Re: 1.1 Predictions - The Rise of the Paragon?

    why should dps warriors even compete with pure dps spec'd scouts? imho mages/scouts who spec pure dps should consitantly stay 25% ahead dps wise compared to warriors. you wouldn't expect a mage or scout to walk in and have no problems tanking the hardest encounters in the game - and if they did, would you not be like 'wtf?'

    i'm confused as to why that's even a remote possibility. all troll'isms aside - if you wanted to do pure dps why would you roll a class that's always is and always will be considered the tanking class?
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