Talduke

ok here is another question, for a more accurate "average damage" of my spells should i go out to the wall and cast each one 20 times to get an average or will i get the same amount if i just take low + high/2 ?
also is there a place i could test this on higher lvl mob, without getting killed. The wall is great and all but i do higher tier raiding with mobs at 84+ so it seems they have higher resists then the wall does.

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LightCC

Is there a reason you are worried about the exact average? Unless it affects the spell dps efficiency order, does it matter?

I can think of a few times that the resists might be different between spells (and thus affect relative dps eff):

- swarm pets have a different based hit ratio it seems
- Procs appears to have a different set strike ratio
- Spells that have different casting type (subjugation instead of disruption) could mean higher resists (like aura of void for warlocks)

But if you want your actual average resists in a raid, just use ACT. Keep in mind that sometimes the mob is debuffed and sometimes it isn't...

As for actual average damage it's an involved, complicated calculation that I'm not even sure I have right yet, but I believe I've got the damage ranges right. It's complicated by the fact that actual damage isn't always tooltip damage, that crit does raise the +SD cap, and that a crit that is below the max normal damage is raised to max non-crit damage +1, so crits are not a normal distribution (i.e. you can't just average the min and max crit to get an average crit damage), and +SD is sometimes cut to 1/3 of normal or even to 0 on certain spells.

Now then, lets talk about procs... (*grin*)

nabidi

might i suggest some more ocd gear:

u can be polytheistic and carry the bristlebane cards and cloak while maintaining ro blessings/miracles. the queen card with 20% max hp/power for 10 minutes and jester -25% hate are nice to play. the cloak is worth swapping and clicking to keep proc up. the goal being -10% hate for 30 minutes, but none of the buffs are detrimental.

boots of terror click for 2 crit over 3m20s. worth prepull if ur not capped.

asharae's cloak 5% dmg 12s prepull lon clicky

i think hardcore raiders should carry both tp and summon orbs off hag. even with cot, summon orb is invaluable.

a separate section for nonswappable power clickies could be helpful for those times power is an issue between adhd tank pulls.

on rare occasion it can be worth it to toss a bristlebane throwing stick to have dotm proc early.

thermal shocker, and capilllarian diadem should probably be listed as oop clicky dmg.


the new d.i.r.t.y clickies need to be included with +dmg to next heat ice spells. and the +10% health

screwloose bombs with -2530 elemental +dmg never hurt an aoe encounter parse.

arachibutyrophobia is always worth clicking prepull fear fights. im guessing there might be fights it would even help to wear if the timer was known.

it is worthwhile to note that manastone can be clicked while stifled from harvest mana and there is a correct order for quickest power. i.e. transfer, intromission, clarity pot, manaharvest, manastone.

the old n.o.d.r. should not be overlooked as it is both a good power proc and can be swapped mid-combat if power becomes an unforseen issue.

ocd, but not raid-related:

macroing subjugation gear swaps with roots can be useful sometimes. dagger of deadly seduction and eye poking trophy make a nice root swap set.

the hoop of subversion should be equip macrod to your invis for +15% invis movement (provided u manage your gear proficiently)

Uthel

Great guide daray - I just wish other classes had guides as detailed as this~

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Thajuggernaut

So i just rerolled from a monk to a wiz and im have a question about manaburn.

How many of u use manaburn ? Im currently specd with the cookie cutter raid spec. My wiz only hit 80 like 4 days ago. i have 2 vp set pieces the rest is crap that can be bought or farmed from instances.
I have read darays guide (which is awesome) but my dps is a little lower than id like atm and im wondering if switching to manaburn would help me out.

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Azrayel

TSO will be the death of the manaburn spec anyway.

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SacDaddy

I dont agree.

Try out the spec, get a parsing illy w/mythical in your group. That proc is beautiful. The mobs can be 90% dead and I'll still be at ~95% power just between my own and that illy proc.

Cast it right, I like to make sure my trak belt charged, JC'd, Dispatched, Freehanded manaburn hits at about 10% on the mob. This can be tough if your in a new raid force, but once your timing is fluid with the raids' dps, you're golden.

If I know its going to be an extremely fast fight, I'll even do things to increase my power pool, like tossing on the set robe and using the claymore shoulder proc. It's nice to toss the burn with 15K power =)

Never hold back on the burn, dont expect it to win the parse for you, it's just the desert. Work your cycles on the mob right up to that last dispatch around 15% then let it rip.

Dont waste time regening during the immediate next fight, if you're geared right and grouped well, you'll usually gain power during your casting rotation.


Step 4 - sit back and enjoy a bong rip while all the melee cry.


This has worked well for me at least. including over there on beta. I really havent seen any reason to change up my EoF tree

Randal

Agree with SacDaddy, manaburn still gets you some extra DPS. Only if you're very lucky with spell double attacks while you hit fission and icebolt you might get a higher parse than with MB ( on short fights ).
Regarding the TSO tree... don't have any results yet but adding power with enhanced mind and burning 15k, or more, power at the beginning ... 100k burns are possible and still make up for the long casting time.
As for getting the power back, overclocked manastone and the help of your friendly and hopefully skilled troub and illu will get you up to speed in no time =)
But always remember: It always depends on the mob... there are fights where manaburn would be a waste...

Gwanath

Lately I've moved away from the Manaburn spec. Not because I don't like the big hits and winning the occaisional parse with MB, but because the damage tends to be inconsistent. DA doesn't have 3 full time illy's and I'll end up in a group without one a large enough percentage of the time that it becomes frustrating enough for me to give up the MB spec.

While it doesn't seem like it's a large gain to increase your AA spent in the Fire/Cold line to max them both, I find that I get an extra 5-10% DPS every fight with them. True, I almost never outright win a parse by an absurd margin, like I would with MB, but to make up for it I parse higher on every other fight. In the long run, (like the entirety of VP) I find that that increase gives me a higher average DPS than MB would.

That said, this is what works for ME, I don't believe for a moment that EITHER spec is overwhelmingly better than the other. It's going to be personal preference, raid/guild setup, and that sort of thing.

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SacDaddy

yes, i definetly notice the pain of the spec when the groups illy is LD or afk. if they arent dps'n their proc aint goin off.