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Old 01-09-2009, 02:30 PM  
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I don't think the Shadow Converge AA will be (as is now) a choice (m)any people will chose. The AA does not affect the % value of the deagro, just the proc.

Converge (without AA): 8% less hate generated + 1734 - 2890 deagro proc

Converge (with 5 AAs): 8% less hate generated + 2081 - 3468 deagro proc. (20% more deagro on the proc)

The proc rate remains the same (6 times per minute) with and without the AAs spent... Might have been a better AA choice if it increased the proc rate as well as the deagro component.

I didn't have a chance to test its effectiveness in any sort of serious group/raid but hopefully will get around to that during the weekend.


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Old 01-09-2009, 04:28 PM  
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As Rev. Lovejoy said: It's all over people! We don't have a prayer!

As things do stand now, if changes go live as they are, we're in trouble. The massive nerf/destruction of almost all hate transfers means we're losing both our once vital Troub de-Hate and the agro abilities scouts once transferred onto MT's/OT's.

Our DPS remains unchanged obviously, we just lose almost all ability to sustain it at current levels without getting agro. The 8% 'dehate' on converge is basically exactly like we had before (losing 4% and giving 4% to your MT fighter nets the same effective result comparing hate positions) The only addition is the dehate proc which will get you what, one free casting of Ball of Magma over the course of a minute?

I basically see a 'DPS cap' as it stands now, fairly sustainible for most high end DPS and almost completely dependant on your main tank's ability to generate hate on his own. I suspect this 'cap' is going to fall lower then where we're parsing now (For the most part) If you try go over it, you'll notice it on the Hate-Meter 3000 and will have to thumb twiddle until you drop far enough down to blast of another BoI or Fusion.

The changes, frankly, make little sense to me. SoE is basically making one sole individual responsible for an entire raid's DPS. Previous to this, you could mix and match group combo's, scout transfers, etc etc and everyone played a part in helping to acheive max DPS. Now, you have one tank doing his thing and everyone else needing to stay below whatever he manages.
I think you're calculations of how hate is acquired are a little bent. Each damage point you do does not build one hate "point". Each spell has a set amount of hate built into it. Tanks are not losing their ability to hold aggro - Aggro is being completely revamped. Tanks used to have to DPS and taunt to hold aggro, while they will now be 100% meatshield instead of DPSing.

Or this is at least how I see it. I forsee no serious problems.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:35 PM  
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1 point of damage = 1 point of hate. There is no set hate bullshit.
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If you say so.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:50 PM  
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You are so retarded it isn't even funny. I am glad you understand the basic concepts of the game. Especially the ones developers have come out and said exactly how they work.
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:05 PM  
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You are so retarded it isn't even funny. I am glad you understand the basic concepts of the game. Especially the ones developers have come out and said exactly how they work.
Did I hurt your feelings? Get off the internet I usually don't spend my free time looking up devs conversations. In the post I said "I think" and "that's how I see it". Not "I'm right". Quit being a prick
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:13 AM  
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If you say so.
Because you clearly aren't trying to be a sarcastic asshole and say I'm wrong.

Here, lets try this, when you don't have a fucking clue don't open your mouth.
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slip, can u be warlock forum mod so u can say the same thing a lot more there? :P
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