wand of emptiness

Vaan · 05-05-2009, 09:25 AM

just got my fabled epic done and wondering whether to equip it over the Glass Wand of Emptiness from ferzhul. i'm at 60% crit and ~850 spelldmg, not raiding on this toon ...

stivan · 05-05-2009, 09:43 AM

It would be a toss up to be honest. I'm almost certain that the difference between the two for actual dps output is close. I would have to do some math later on.. I would say as you get closer to 100% crit, the 4% spell crit bonus would be better than the proc off the fabled epic.

Celtrix · 05-05-2009, 09:48 AM

Yeah, I would go ahead and put the Fabled epic on. You won't really gain as much from the spell crit. conus w/out having capped crit.

Dextera · 05-05-2009, 11:38 AM

Short Answer: Dragon's Marrow (Fabled) imo

Long Answer:
Spell Crit Bonus
From a few tests it seems that Spell Crit Bonus scales from;

0-10% Crit - Nearly Useless/Neglible
~50% Crit - Approx. 1:1 (1% Bonus = 1% Crit)
90%-100% - Approx 1:1.67 (1% Bonus = 1.67% Crit)

Dragon's Marrow (Fabled)
Proc: 15% INT +Spell @ 1.8x/min for 15s
Assume: Capped INT (1220), Below Spl Dmg Cap

1220 * 15% = +183 Spl Dmg
[1.8*15s/60]*[183] = +82.35 Avg Spell Dmg

Assume: 1% Crit = +25 Spl Dmg (Approx. Good Rule to Follow.)

82.35 / 25 = 3.294

Since the proc is adding on average +82.35 Spl Dmg, you can figure the +Spl Proc is worth around 3.3% Crit.

As of now, we've figured out (using your stats):
Glass Wand of Emptiness: ~8% Crit
Dragon's Marrow: ~7.3% Crit
*And yes, the relative worth of the GWoE changes with your current crit. 100% Crit (meaning you crit 100% of the time on the mob) would mean the GWoE skyrockets to a 10.68% Crit equivilancy.

However, Dragon's Marrow still has the heat proc attached:
374-562dmg Heat Proc @ 1.8x/min for 15s
=[374+562]/2 * 1.8 / 60s = 14.04 Avg DPS

Now you can stop here to make things a little simpler and ask yourself if 0.75% Crit is worth taking over a 14.04 Avg DPS proc. I'd probably lean on the proc being a better choice and thus Dragon's Marrow.
*You can get much deeper in depth past this point, but I think it gets a little muddy. Constructive criticism is welcomed.

stivan · 05-05-2009, 11:48 AM

You know what I would like to do, if anyone wants to help or do it themselves.. make a list of all the items and how much in terms of DPS you would get from those items. A detailed list that would help anyone from all walks... we can break it into sections depends on crit% or base damage modifier.. etc. Who might be interested in doing this or helping with this?

KKahn · 05-05-2009, 01:00 PM

Agreed on the Dragon's Marrow. That proc will do more for you at this point. Also it has a slightly better rating and does more crushing damage...not that our 87 avg. melee dps will make or break a parse, lol.

Perm · 05-05-2009, 01:24 PM

For the record you don't need either to click statues on Druushk, and both will be useless after that.

Vaan · 05-05-2009, 02:01 PM

unfortunately we aren't doing vp atm, so i don't see me getting the mythic soon ... let alone finding a stupid pu raid for levi

anyway, thanks for your help

Faolain · 05-05-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stivan

You know what I would like to do, if anyone wants to help or do it themselves.. make a list of all the items and how much in terms of DPS you would get from those items. A detailed list that would help anyone from all walks... we can break it into sections depends on crit% or base damage modifier.. etc. Who might be interested in doing this or helping with this?

Wow, are you serious? You know how much work that would take?

stivan · 05-05-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faolain

Wow, are you serious? You know how much work that would take?

It would be a lot of work... but were at that point in the xpansion imo.

We could keep it really simple too... like only to this list of gear, with anything new that has been discovered in raids since it was last updated:

http://www.eq2flames.com/wizards/443...gear-list.html