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05-26-2009, 10:23 AM
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
Then maybe you should post the formula..........
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05-26-2009, 06:04 PM
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It's a Wizard thing ;)-
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
Saltaf looked at his spread sheet again, found an error, and re-worked the figures. Post updated to reflect this.
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05-26-2009, 06:41 PM
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
This is still wrong. You are still assuming that min crit > max damage + 1, which is not the case all of the time.
This is not how you calculate the average crit damage, it is a weighted value towards the lower end of the range because of the max damage + 1 rule.
You need to go back and figure out how crits work, as does saltaf, because you both have no clue how they work.
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05-26-2009, 07:25 PM
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Lockness
Character: Saltaf
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
fuck off please as u are assuming things
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05-26-2009, 07:43 PM
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It's a Wizard thing ;)-
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
Hmmm...
Last edited by Lustrix; 05-26-2009 at 07:58 PM.
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05-26-2009, 07:47 PM
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
No, I'm not. I am looking at your formula.
= D5 * J5 / E5.
What's that you say, you take Average Damage and just multiply it by the crit bonus and divide by cast time and get your crit efficiency? Wouldn't that assume that you are just taking DPS Efficiency(D5/E5) and multiplying it by J5? Oh, wait, that's EXACTLY what you are doing. This is not how crits work. So please, learn how they work before you try to talk. Here's how crits work since you have no idea how they work:
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Originally Posted by Pinski
Your average crits are all wrong. Crits get weighted either towards the min, or they are the actual average. Not to mention, if your spread is non-existant, your min crit will be above the max+1, thus actually having it as the average. No idea about the rest of your post, but just commenting on the wrong math.
Actual math for Min Crit is:
If(MinDamage * CritBonus<MaxDamage +1)
MinCrit = MaxDamage +1
Else
MinCrit = MinDamage * CritBonus
Actual math for Average Crit is:
If(MinDamage * CritBonus<MaxDamage +1)
mincrit = FLOOR((MaxDamage + 1)/CritBonus) - MinDamage
range = MaxDamage - MinDamage
AverageCrit = (((MaxDamage + 1) * (mincrit)) + (((MinCritDamage + MaxCritDamage)/2) * (range - mincrit)))/range
Else
AverageCrit = (MinCritDamage + MaxCritDamage)/2
With FLOOR function returning the largest integer less than or equal to the value that it's used against. For example FLOOR(11.7)=11, and so on.
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Please, stfu and read that THEN come back and figure out crit efficiency.
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05-26-2009, 08:43 PM
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Lockness
Character: Saltaf
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
I understand how crits work... just didn't put it into excel spreadsheet because I can't add the if-function to it
This is something I spoke to lustrix about yesterday before this was even posted. Originally ignoring average because of the math u listed above, and only changed because u bitched about it... just to have u bitch about it again...
it's not there to be an exact chart, it is a fucking guideline... so again... kindly fuck off.
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05-26-2009, 09:36 PM
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I Manaburn Anashti
Character: Enuki
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
Actual math for Min Crit is:
If(MinDamage * CritBonus<MaxDamage +1)
MinCrit = MaxDamage +1
Else
MinCrit = MinDamage * CritBonus
Actual math for Average Crit is:
If(MinDamage * CritBonus<MaxDamage +1)
mincrit = FLOOR((MaxDamage + 1)/CritBonus) - MinDamage
range = MaxDamage - MinDamage
AverageCrit = (((MaxDamage + 1) * (mincrit)) + (((MinCritDamage + MaxCritDamage)/2) * (range - mincrit)))/range
Else
AverageCrit = (MinCritDamage + MaxCritDamage)/2
So just so I am clear.. MaxCritDamage =? please show all your math, ty
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05-26-2009, 09:37 PM
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I Manaburn Anashti
Character: Enuki
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
oh and, mincrit != MinCrit? in your formula?
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05-26-2009, 09:44 PM
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Re: TSO DPS Efficiency
bowl of mary jane > reviewing a spreadsheet
That is all from Dakkota <3
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