Havok

Ok i had a theory about brain storm that since it only affects the base damage of the spell that it might not be increasing your spell damage by 8%. Now cause we have spell ranges it rasies the low end of the spell and the high end and doesnt make a diffrence to spells that land in the middle range of both.

So lets say that Bol has a spread of 1000-4000 as its base. with Brain storm we will say it now has a spread of 1500-4500 (yes i know thats not 8% this is just for easy comparison) Now Brainstorm made a diffrence on any spell that lands from 1k-1.5k and any spell that lands from 4k-4.5k All spells that landed in the middle BS had no effect on in theory.

I went to bonemire and tested this on basilisks. I spend 30 mins or so killing them with my normal gear on, I then switched put an item in my off hand to kill BS and lower my int to be as close to what it was with BS. My int diffrence was 8 so i doubt that made a diffrence in the parse.

my results

With BS my avrage damage with IN was 8009. With out BS my Avrage damage was 7697 Making a diffrence of 312. This is more of a 4% diffrence not an 8% diffrence (7697*1.04 =8004)

Now with BOL 3202 with BS. i had 3096 with out it making a diffrence of 106. Again this is more like a 4% diffrence. (3096*1.04=3219)

So looking at these parses an 8% diffrence on the high and low end of a spell only comes out to a 4% diffrence in damage. My sample size was kind of small but i think good enough for a proper evaluation.

Now my question is since FS makes a diffrence on the base damage of the spell is it not giving us the full % increase that it is supposed to. If its only changing the base damage of a spell and not adding it to the hit i would guess we are not getting the % it says we should. This can also anwser why the vine wrapped boots are not showing the 10% damage they are supposed to if they are adding the damage to the base and not to the hit.

Now if my math is wrong or my way of doing it not corect please let me know. I just always assumed that an 8% increase in spell damage should result in that 8% damage.

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Pinski

Do you have any "Up to X Spell Damage" adornments/items? If so, that is why.

Also you are not factoring in crits with your comparison. Also are you debuffing them the exact same way everytime? If you want to actually see whether you get 8% bonus, take off all your "Up to X Spell Damage" items, look at your damage range on a spell, put in an item to de-activate brainstorm and look at your new damage range. You should see it increase by 8%. The problem with your calculations is that crits play funny with the straight % increase because of the way they work.

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Illuminator

Comparing one zonewide parse to another of the same zone is a recipe for inaccuracy.

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Havok

The were the exact same mobs, in the same zone, I used no debuffs on any of the mobs and only cast 3 spells on the mobs, IN Bol and Incap, I did have one item on that had an upto xx my necklace and there was only one spell that crit that entire time and it was on the one with BS. I took off any item that would debuff the mob so that they had no debuffs at all.


Both parses were done at the same time, One right after another in the same zone on the same mobs.

The thing is Yes the spell base damage goes up by 8% if you put an item in, Problem is that it only changes the low and high end range of the spell, and spell that lands in the middle of that spell range would have hit for that damage with or with out BS. That is why it shows as a 4% diffrence and not the 8%. I think BS should not be calculated on the base damage of a spell but rater give the 8% to the hit. What im thinking though now is if FS does the same, Makes the base damage up by 24% and doesnt modify what the spell actuly hits for.

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Falco

nice juggs

Claria

Well, I think the 4% increase in DPS could be more attributed to the RNG than BS not giving the right amount. Given your example of BOL having a 1000-4000 range which would be 1500-4500 with BS (based on what you said) thats a very large spread. Lets say the RNG gives you a max hit... well, yes, you'll see the full bonus. Lets say your hit was 2000, the 8% on a 2k hit, would still fall between the original 1k-4k spread, so it may look like you didnt gain any advantage. The problem is, what if the time you had BS up, you had all high end hits based on the RNG, then when you took it off, you had all low end hits.... with such a high spread, its kinda hard to tell a difference. If you had like 1,000 fights of each... well... yeah... I could see thinking that high/low hits would average out... but its hard to say that your calculations would be totally accurate with such a small sample.

Havok

Claria,

I made sure i had at least 50 hits of each, I think that is a good enough number to get a sample from, Ill do more testing, It just looks for me and by the description of BS that it only adds it to the base damage of the spell and that its not a strait 8% increase to your damage. This is probly how its supposed to work but im sure alot of people though it was a straight 8% increase and its not, Yes the spread can chagne and it can go more then 4% or less then the 4% i got the point is its not a constant 8%.

IM also more worried about FS doing the same thing, Just having it up the base damage and not up the damage from the hit.

When i get some more time ill do more testing, But im kind of curious about all of this.

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Illuminator

Yes but they might be fake. We'll have to take the gloves off for this one.

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Nastharl

There is no possible way it could work, no matter when a damage bonus is applied, that you couldn't hit the same damage range in the middle.

with the way the RNG is, you need a LOT more than 50 hits to see what the average is doing. If you hit dead center of the middle range, and 8% more is still inside the middle range, theres no way of knowing when the damage bonus was applied.

However, they probably aren't generating a random number from midair and then seeing if it fits in damage range. they roll something that gives a range between lowest and max. If the lowest is higher, and the max is higher, on average, you'll hit higher. there is no way of seeing this happen though in the middle of the range.

Fewson

8% of base is not 8% more damage.

damage range=base + rnd(max positive variance);

where for a hypothetical IN 8,000-10,000
base = 8000
max positive variance = 2000

so normally it is: damage=8000+rnd(2000)
with brainstorm you get: damage= 8000*1.08+rnd(2000)
you do NOT get damage = 1.08*(8000+rnd(2000))

So greater the variance the less % total damage increase you get with brainstorm. The next question is are modifiers like up to xx more damage count as base damage or variance...most likely variance