Udoaka

Well, as long as the illusionist doesnt put it on his pet....

Fucking Greedy Illusionists

Renaven

I have no problem asking to get rebuffed after dying -- just as Slippery said. I usually wait 45-60 seconds or more as well. I do have a problem with getting my head ripped off by the Illu for asking, however.

Cadi

Okay, first of all i'm the quote, unquote retarded illusionist. Second of all, you guys dont even know what goes on with renaven. He's a fucking buff whore. He spams all the troubs constantly for JC claiming that its best off for the raid. The two minutes he says it takes to rebuff its only after him spamming me in tells 30 times telling me to buff him. Ask anyone else in the group how fast they get rebuffed. I get tired of him fucking sending me tells putting down other players in the group. You take fucking 30 min afks and what then, you dont even do dps. What about all the parses that you screw up on renaven where are those why do you only post the ones where you make yourself look like a god renaven. you're not shit dude. Dont even fucking go there with me. You are a low life loser with nothing better to do than come on some stupid fucking forums to try to make yourself feel better. Grow a fucking ballsack and realize the WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOUR SHITTY ASS

OH, and not to mention your sorry ass dies every single pull. Learn to play you idiot...

Ballads

Fuck you renaven. What the fuck are you doing bringing this shit here! Deciding to take a guild argument to eq2flames real fucking classy. What did you hope to accomplish with this ? Do you really think what ppl post in here is gonna sway me one way or the other ? You are truley a fucking idiot to do this. Maybe you are good at dps, but you have no fucking common sense making you a fool.

Udoaka

Uhhh. He is just asking for some buffs.

Is that so much to ask?!

Loudness

this might get interesting, though it will most likely be silent.

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Dextera

Shit talking about your buffers probably isn't the best way to win them over, lol.

SacDaddy

I demand Agitate!!!

why, you ask?

two words:

Ambidextrous Casting Bitches!





ok 3 words

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Hell Yes.
How I roll . WIZARDS TILL WE DIE

Laodaron

As I've posted in the Conjuror boards, I've never had to tell or ask someone how to play their class. But if I died, even if it was often, and I had to ask a TROUB to hit me with buffs, I'd seriously consider that Troub's actual usefulness. Unless I'm missing what a Troub's main purpose in the mage group is....but I thought it was buffing, or to be more PC, to work as hard as DPS does, making the DPS maximize their role. Same with an Illusionist, but an Illusionist can maintain solid personal DPS if I were to die and lose a buff, so its not as bad.

From what I saw here, Ren disagreed with you guys, and decided to get some alternative input. No one likes to be wrong, so he was making sure he wasn't. I don't know Ren at all, nor do I think I know anyone in NPU.

Renaven

Sigh, I didn't even bring your name into this Aber, nor do I recall calling you retarded.

I'm no more of a buff whore than Scofield or Roobarb are. I go along with your little TC rotations so everyone gets equal buffs. Aside from that, the only difference is I actively persue Jester's Cap when possible, like most people that it benefits by a large margin should because it helps get shit done faster. If someone more important is in line for JC, which is about a 50/50 chance, then I accept that and move on with my rotation just as Scofield or Roo would. And please note that I am not the only person who asks for JC's. I admit to asking for it more often than most people, however our other mages and many other people also actively persue this buff, so don't make me look out to be the only person. I also admit to sometimes asking him twice in a fight for JC. It's mainly because he's told me that he sometimes gets tired in long raids such as EH, and I thought that he didn't even see my tell. I do wait at least 30-45 seconds though to ensure that he's not simply helping someone else.

I don't spam him. And I realize that JC is better for a few other classes, such as a Brigand. I ask for it when it's up, and I don't bitch if he's casting JC on anyone else. I know you're going to bring up when I said some bad words about him in group chat. That was more because he had gotten lazy and stopped JCing, period. Sco and I were in tells about it, and he was not getting JC's either. I'm just more vocal about my feelings than other people. However when JC is up and he's not using it on anyone, I do sometimes ask him if he can cast it on me as it will yield more raid DPS than if he were to just keep DPSing, being a Troubador. Ballads specifically told Cadenza that he was *primarily* in charge of JC for me and Rillix (and now Ibeo now that he's in the guild).

You could not be more wrong. I absolutely always wait at least 1 minute before asking you *once* for buffs. Do not exaggerate or you will not be taken seriously.

Are you referring to the one time after the cure changes when Contested Mayong was fucking hard? Yes, I asked for TC then, because shit would get done faster with it on me. No, it would not have saved the raid, but it would have made us more efficient. I didn't contest them getting TC for zones we beat easily, but for hard shit, the best buffs had better go to the people who make the most use of them.

Exaggerating, like I said before, will not make you look very credible on the forums. It's a known fact that maybe 1 out of every 4-5 days I will take a 10-12 minute afk to eat dinner with my family. Maybe once a month that afk will be slightly longer, such as 15 minutes for example. Family always > EQ2 for me, and it's the only time I get to see them, so yes I am going to go eat with them. You can feel free to take my buffs off at that point and time and place them on someone else. I don't even know what you mean by I don't even do DPS though. It's pretty much only those days where I must take those afks that our other Sorcerers even come close to my DPS on the zw -- and these are 99% of the time the only times they've been ever able to beat me.

You are very clearly blinded by your anger towards me. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I've won just about every single zonewide (not talking about contesteds, as they are less accurate due to less data to compile, with more emphasis being put on what spells get resisted, or hit for higher, etc., whereas zonewides suffer less from these issues) against Roobarb and Scofield. There may be possibly 5-6 times ever that they've beaten me on a zonewide (most of it is Sco... Roo doesn't come close), out of hundreds, NOT counting tonight as I'm sure you're aware I was typing in guildchat for the first half of MMIS, and dealing with that bullshit in tells for the second half of MMIS. The figures I gave are counting days where I took the afk mentioned earlier. If it did not count those days, then I am nearly positive I have never ever lost a zw to Roo or Sco. It's possible Sco maybe beat me once when he had TC and I didn't, but that's such an insignificant number from the grand picture. And no, don't even say it's only because I was buffed to all hell, or because of my gear. I've won I believe every single zw (I can't remember, I may have lost one) of every single zw parse when Roo or Sco has had TC as well, leaving me lesser-buffed. I've won just about every single zw parse when Sco was better-geared than me about a week ago and before, when I did not have my Neck of Pain or Lucky Coin, and Sco had the Coin, Mayong's Orb and the Earring of Unkempt Power, and RoS over me. I believe I only had the Staff of Light over him (and, to a much lesser extent, the Wristbands of Lost Knowledge, which are currently very broken and do not yield much of a DPS gain). I wouldn't really count the Earring of Hoop of Planar power that I had... nor would I count the Remnant of the Chime that Sco had, because I could get just as much DPS wearing my earring from the Maestro in CMM.

You're absolutely correct, the world does not revolve around me. No one is saying it does. You're blowing this into a big situation when in reality it is not. My one and only problem is you. TC rotations are dumb. Taking too long to rebuff as an Illusionist (we're talking over 2 minutes) is also dumb. Yes, you do good DPS, but your job is to rebuff people when they need it, unless it's a short trash fight, then I don't care if you wait until after.

So to clarify, my one and only problem, which isn't even a gigantic problem, is that I believe that buffs should go to the person who makes the most use of them, and people should get rebuffed in a timely manner.

What kind've Wizard doesn't die fairly often? Even Sco dies often. I'd be more concerned if the Wizard never died. My zw parses are the highest, only sometimes second to Rhazx, in 99% of the situations. So I must be doing something right. And before you post the few parses (I am only talking zonewide here, remember) in the past year that I have gotten beaten on by another Sorcerer, please remember that I never claimed to win 100% of the time.

I'm sorry Ballads, but I really don't see how I was bringing that much shit here. I may have insinuated certain situations, but I did not name anyone. I just wanted to confirm that most people out there agreed with me, and they do.

I have a lot of respect for you, but obviously you missed the point of my post to think that it was to try to sway you. I don't even know what I would have to sway you about.

My point of this post, again, was to see if people felt the same as me.

Again I'm sorry, but one thing that *really* makes me mad is to see other people making the raid less effective through their actions. I used to play 1v1 games professionally, so I'm fairly used to maximizing MYSELF regarding what the raid needs me to do. One thing that I've always hated though is other people bringing us down through their actions. That's why I've never really been a fan of team games, but I've learned to live with it and I was hoping that finding a hardcore guild would solve most of these problems, as most people should bring their "A" game to every raid. I certainly do. And yes, I've occasionally made dumb mistakes that led me to an early death -- I wanted to chime that in before you started listing off how bad I am with major exaggerations. For example, when we did Throne room for the first time I landed a Forge of Ro down on our group pre-pull. The mobs were not at us, giving our tank ample time to taunt before they reached my Forge. We did proxy pull, however there was a large room between where the mob was being pulled from, and where we are fighting him, so the tank did taunt the mobs before reaching us as expected. However, the tank had a taunt resist and I died. So yes, I make mistakes, but I still bring my "A" game to every raid. I play games to be the best, and with EQ2 I play to watch us dominate EVERYTHING at the highest level -- the most efficiently. This means maximizing buffs and giving them to the people that they are better suited to go to.

Again please re-read my intentions for this post. I don't post to bring people in my own guild down. That's absolutely retarded. I posted to see how other Wizards (you know, the same class as me) feel about what happened, which was why I gave a basically hypothetical situation and asked them for opinions.

I cannot even believe I had to type this much to get my point across. Am I not allowed to express my opinions? That's all I was doing. I'm sorry for publicly saying that our Illusionist was not the greatest. But, and this goes for my posts in the parse thread as well, my first goal is *NEVER* to hurt anyone. Infact it was never a goal for this thread, period. Nor is it a goal in the posts I make on the parse thread. If I hurt someone in the process of simply looking to gather opinions from the Wizard community, then I apologize.

The type of responses I was getting in guild earlier was very mixed (which actually scares me), which is the reason I came to these forums.

Bottom line as far as I'm concerned:

1. You die? Person with buffs on you rebuffs you.
2. If a choice has to be made regarding who gets raid buffs, then in all cases said buff should go to the person who has proven time and time again to make better use of buffs when given them.

I am VERY sorry for bringing Sco and Roo into this post. I didn't know of a better way to explain my situation though. They are both great players, and are friends of mine.

Edit: I'm also sorry for sounding arrogant in my post. People close to me know that this is not infact the type of person that I am. Sometimes I feel like I've run out of options regarding how to explain myself, however, so it occasionally comes down to me simply stating facts without sugar coating them.