Bloodthirst on Crushbone - Velocity

Frogdorr · 08-23-2007, 06:42 PM

So if you are an up and coming guild. You age to the ripe hardeneed age of 30 days, clearing every instance except the second floor and above of EH, how blood thirsty would you be? Would you drive harder to grow as a guild family to pwn anything and everything? would you lie and back stab?

What if you had a friend for over 2 years who bleed and repaired with you since T5 and conquering since your prismatic? Would you kick him to the curb like a used tampon for some FNG in newer gear?

What if this FNG came from another server and was kicked within weeks from the most hated guild on your server because of his attitude? would you keep him over a guildie you have grown up in norath with and never once caused any drama?

Here are the words from the officer HIMSELF lying on why the MT was asked to leave... yet his "left guild" message was erased and at least 2 people have left guild because of the kick.

To Velocity:
I love many members you have.
I respect about half of your officers, some I have known in RL for over 5 years.
To the leader and his cowardess and the new officers who have hijacked a great dream:

Who the fuck do you think you are?

Now I don't have a screen shot for the next part but here is some contrast:

follow up from Malavon:

Quote:

Just to clarify why I said I was pissed about Crazeys promotion. We just had a huge upheaval in our officer ranks, Gareg was liked by many obviously, he put alot of time and energy into our guild. And so see him booted and an instant promotion to Crazey looks real bad. Like some power struggle that went nightmare.

Crazey for main tank, great! But to replace Gareg with Crazey the very night of a huge shift in leaders is... well its crap. from what I know of Crazey he is an awesome guy with a great attitude, with the know how and patience to tank and lead us through all the EoF content. I have no issue with him in any way. But for the sanity of our members as a guild, his promotion like 2 minutes after Gareg left the guild is gonna make alot of people mad... correction has already made people mad. Because there were many who had no issues with Gareg as MT and how he did things.

Well its too late now, but I dont even know what to say to people about it and to be honest as a hardcore raid guild we MUST be open about so much more than we have. This is a team effort and we need to be more open to them and communicate with them in advance, instead of all our many discussions with little or no regard to the opinions of the majority of our guild.

your comment and your screenshot don't match up very well.

follow up from Probed:

Quote:

I can count on one hand how many people were online when gareg left the guild. It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell everyone in guild the reasons behind this when they were NOT online at the time. I talked to everyone personally one on one last night that logged in and NOT ONE had a problem with what happened, in fact many approved it for various reasons. Malavon you have to understand communication like this takes time and people need to be online so it does not happen instantly.

The one thing about that Screenshot that disturbs me is it does not look like you supported your fellow Guild leadership on this decision. IMO that looks VERY bad and will do nothing but promote drama. You were involved in the many discussions for the past month and knew this was gonna happen. Now I am not saying you should never question anything, I'm just saying do it with us and not the rest of the membership. We have to be united in all the decisions made good or bad. This is why you see ALL of us get together and talk about things before anything is done. Lets not forget all the problems that was happening with Gareg that led us to this point in time.
Now as far as the promotion goes. Llaw was going to promoted Lupe to officer before this even happened. Crazey was discussed about being a co-raid leader long ago but we knew Gareg would never go for that. Lupe, Thorell, and I talked to Gareg once about letting Crazey tank more often and he said he had no problem with that. Well not once did he offer Crazey to tank after that and the one time Llaw said he wanted Crazey to tank it was a 15 minute discussion on why Crazey was gonna tank. As far as how quickly it happened, well someone needed to be in the positioin or we would have Aequitas and alot more people disrupting raids trying to be the raid leader and like I said before there were a handful of people online at the time.

Malavon doesn't know why he was promoted but yet you say it was discussed long before the kick?

yup, and your guild moto is "save your drama for your mama, and when we talked I WAS VERY MUCH AGAINST IT. Why the lie? Hell People in AOD, Elysium, legacy, and Genesis told me how fucked up it was and how great Gareg is as a person AND a player.

Truth be told Crazey didn't like Gareg , thats fine but you fucked a friend to have a guy in pretty armor as your "go to" I guess you guys are hard core and want to get to the top fast .. but the candle that burns brightest and also burns the quickest. To make this kind of move is beyond retarded and if LFG had a section that could possibly name something this messed up I would post it there.

Exeugi · 08-23-2007, 08:39 PM

Ehh, wrong section imo.

Nesse · 08-23-2007, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exeugi

Ehh, wrong section imo.

Seems like the right section to me. After all, it was the guild that kicked him and promoted some fucking newb to that spot. Which seems a bit odd to me to instill that much trust in someone that new.

Hopefully things work out for Gareg, cause it those ppl were his "friends" hes better off with out them.

Stinkfinger · 08-24-2007, 12:57 PM

How does the guild suck again?

The MT was pissing people off with attitude, the officers got together and said "we need to do something, so they did, the MT left.

The new guy, that knows more about raiding and tanking then anyone else in that guild, since he is fully EoF geared and did all the zones fully. Is promoted to fill the gap and help in progression.....Thats what I would have done.

what is wrong with that? So you like the old MT some did some did not, but if he was not causing drama and issues he would still be there no?

Frogdorr · 08-24-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinkfinger

How does the guild suck again?

The MT was pissing people off with attitude, the officers got together and said "we need to do something, so they did, the MT left.

The new guy, that knows more about raiding and tanking then anyone else in that guild, since he is fully EoF geared and did all the zones fully. Is promoted to fill the gap and help in progression.....Thats what I would have done.

what is wrong with that? So you like the old MT some did some did not, but if he was not causing drama and issues he would still be there no?

nice post but you are wrong the MT knew plenty and had been in more encounters then the guild has seen mobs in EoF. everyone loved the MT except the new guys.

Having gear doesn't prove anything. it can be bought, its like saying my /played time means im great!

Stinkfinger · 08-24-2007, 02:13 PM

so why did the officers...the old guys,,,,,want to kick him out?

Frogdorr · 08-24-2007, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinkfinger

so why did the officers...the old guys,,,,,want to kick him out?

they were afraid of losing players who would follow the new guy.

But kicking the mt has cost a mystic, templar, illusionist and necro - that i know of so far.

Probed · 08-24-2007, 05:31 PM

Sosumya

I am not exactly sure the reason for this thread. I am trying to figure out what you are trying to occomplish here.

Are you posting one side of the story? Yes

Did this cost us a Templar, Illusionist, Mystic? No They left because they wanted to be in a family guild. I have no clue what Mystic you are referring as the one we have is still with us.

Did this cost us a Necro? Yes (you) no big loss

Are you scum for making an alternate character on our website to give Officer forum access to knowing we did not want you there? Yes

Are you saying our current MT bought/purchased his gear? Ok get real

Now here goes the kicker question and I want you to really think long and hard on this one. Do you REALLY want to start a discussion on Gareg? I mean this is supposedly your friend yet you are bringing him into an open forum to be disected. Think some more Sosumya, do you REALLY want to go there? You know we have info I know he does not wanted posted here. Think some more Sosumya

Bottom line. ANY guild leadership has the right to makes moves they believe are in the best interest of their guild. This is the decision we have made, deal with it, we have. Move on, we have.

Out of respect for Gareg I did not get personal or get into any other specifics. Don't you think you should show him the same respect?

Moral of the story. There are two sides to every story. Some just have more class not to make them public.

Frogdorr · 08-24-2007, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Probed

Sosumya

I am not exactly sure the reason for this thread. I am trying to figure out what you are trying to occomplish here.

showing the loss of loyalty to a hard working guy.

Quote:

Are you posting one side of the story? Yes

yet you dont post yours. let me know when you're done drafting it

Quote:

Did this cost us a Templar, Illusionist, Mystic? No They left because they wanted to be in a family guild. I have no clue what Mystic you are referring as the one we have is still with us.

again I heard differently - from them directly.

Quote:

Did this cost us a Necro? Yes (you) no big loss

true I'm sub par but i was consistently #3 or 2 on the parse. what does that say about others? forget my help in the forums to improve the guild, use that anger to berate me.

Quote:

Are you scum for making an alternate character on our website to give Officer forum access to knowing we did not want you there? Yes

something I never di and the VB log - that can not be edited have recorded everything i did as a MODERATOR... get a technical clue.

Quote:

Are you saying our current MT bought/purchased his gear? Ok get real

No i wasn't

Quote:

Now here goes the kicker question and I want you to really think long and hard on this one. Do you REALLY want to start a discussion on Gareg? I mean this is supposedly your friend yet you are bringing him into an open forum to be disected. Think some more Sosumya, do you REALLY want to go there? You know we have info I know he does not wanted posted here. Think some more Sosumya

I will openly and quietly be more than glad to listen to you and anything you would have to say. and if you want it in respect of gareg it can totally be private.

Quote:

Bottom line. ANY guild leadership has the right to makes moves they believe are in the best interest of their guild. This is the decision we have made, deal with it, we have. Move on, we have.

I did already but compeled to talk to you because deep inside i still like you.

Quote:

Out of respect for Gareg I did not get personal or get into any other specifics. Don't you think you should show him the same respect?

Moral of the story. There are two sides to every story. Some just have more class not to make them public.

I welcome you to correct me, i still always know more than i speak of - remember that.

Pimak · 08-25-2007, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogdorr

they were afraid of losing players who would follow the new guy.

But kicking the mt has cost a mystic, templar, illusionist and necro - that i know of so far.

brigand
templar
illusionist
necro
guardian
warden

gained doubt - lost respec. my opinion