Agnorok

Well there smart guy, if you look everyone in my guild has a tag as to who they are, and if you saw us shooting fireworks and such please post a picture of it or stfu and go back to rp'ing.

iraysindia

Why would I take a screenshot of some guild I don't even like throwing up fireworks. I didn't even know what you guys were doing when it was going on.

I guess I could have been like you and taken a video of some fireworks for no reason except to make yourself look better on an EQ2flames message board. WOW! Congrats The Bekwen Alliance!

Vendui

Homegrown

Iraysindia you are fuckin retarded, my guild does not stoop to these fuckin tactics thats why we were posting here, i keep hearing that my guild was causing troubles at the war fight last night and the only thing that happened teh whole time was ONE person shot off ONE firework and was fuckin yelled at for not doing that childish shit
while eidolon stood on top of us during pulls, pulled grey mobs onto us, chain casted buffs and fireworks the entire time
fuckin hours there and we didnt do a damn thing except stand there and watch eidolon pull the mob and then pull when it was our turn and watch eidolon do their thing
so STFU and move on because we didnt do a fucking thing wrong there except one firework that was put to a complete halt

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iraysindia

Woah, a little testy aren't we? Could it be because I posted the TRUTH? If you can't take the heat, well, I think you know the rest of that saying. I'll ask my friends who were there to come post.

The whole time I was there, I never saw Eidilon stand on top or pull grey mobs. I was there for at least 3 pulls.

Let me tell you what I saw. Eidilon pull, you guys throw up fireworks and run around on horses. Then Eidilon wipes after 30 minutes into a fight. You guys pull, wipe about 30 seconds in. Eidilon pulls and you guys start fireworks again.

Man, for ONE firework, I sure saw what looked like being at the 4th of July in Disney World.

I don't know what kind of crack you're smoking, but you are named Homegrown. Maybe you were too high.

Penuba

Then you definitely do not know what you are talking about Eidolon only had one pull that went for any length of time they had the avatar down to 40% or so. the rest of their pulls were no longer then 15 mins then they would run back and die then hold the mobs in combat as long as possible to tie up our time while they waited to try and get other people to the raid. with the exception of their last pull right before we killed it. Our pulls went from 5 mins to our killing pull of 28. Not stellar for us but this was out first kill on this Avatar and will only get better from here on out.

You also stated that you do not like our guild. I am not sure why but really what does it matter. You of course are entitled to your opinion but without any facts really that is all you have is an opinion. I was there watching the raid from the first pull and I know for a fact one of our members shot off a firework. A comment was made in shout by a member of Eidolon and our officers made sure that no one was causing any other problems for their pulls. While it is true that many people wanted to we do not want to foster a bad reputation for our guild. We play by the rules. There are times when people stray from the rules but these things are dealt with by the leadership of the guild. I am sure that Eidolon is glad to know they have a fan in you.

These are tactics one uses when they know they have no other chance of winning. No one is saying they can not kill them mob when they have a clear zone and an hour to take fighting it. The have excellent power control and do a great job with the adds. Their dps is for shit though on single target mobs and if there is any lag in the zone they have problems.

They can usually form up at any crazy hour and get the job done while we are mostly older players with full time jobs and do not like crawling out of bed in the morning. So I say Kudos to them for having the tenacity to get the job done but to stoop to such childish tactics as to constantly cast spells over and over , to pull all the gray mobs in the zone and summon up extra pets just to try and lag us out well those kinda tactics do not work on us

Not everyone in Eidolon was being a complete douche bag either but their leadership chooses not to stop the ones that are.

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Aelleor

Nice Video of one of the 70+ people present setting off fireworks.

I am looking forward to the sequel that shows The Bekwen Alliance spamming buffs during our pulls, but I won't hold my breath for that one getting posted.

Let me be among the first to publicly congratulate The Bekwen Alliance for curing cancerERRR splitting the atomERR their second EoF Avatar kill. Next time guys, try to act like you've been there.

For everyone that wasn't there, War spawned during the afternoon/evening and as Zek filled up, the lagfest began. We spent hours trading pulls, most of which were a joke because of 5-8 second spell lag. At some point, I initiated a petition because of various people in TBA spamming buffs and creating zone lag.

This is not a new practice from them. Their Warlock felt compelled to "Farm Nil Crystals" nearby the last time we killed War. Their entire guild would get on mounts when we pulled, dismount when they pulled, created assloads of pets, group illusions, fireworks etc. I won't defend the actions of two of our members last night who popped off fireworks during a TBA pull, but to have an entire guild doing the things that TBA has done on our pulls indicates an endorsement, or even worse, encouragement from their leadership to do it.



The following is the response I got from SOE.

Greetings, Aelleor.

I am Game Master Yxyran. Thank you for contacting Sony Online Entertainment. I can certainly appreciate your frustration with the guild Bekwen Alliance. And I can understand how these actions could be annoying. Unfortunately though, there are no rules governing where players are permitted to stand during contested raids or if/when they are permitted to cast spells or use fireworks and so on. I will certainly agree that these actions are a childish attempt to distract your raid but unfortunately they are not violating any rules of conduct with these actions. If they were attempting to train you with mobs to wipe your raid or perhaps locking add encounters from the raid so you could not defeat them, we would consider those to be violations and take action appropriately. My apologies that we could not resolve this issue to your satisfaction but ultimately this issue is one you are going to have to rely on your own powers of diplomacy and community building to resolve.

If we can help you with any other matter feel free to ask.
Game Master Yxyran
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I was speechless. No disrespect to GM Yxyran, I am pretty sure he doesnt write company policy, and the first couple sentences of his response make me think he's probably dealt with Bekwen too. Still, I could not believe that a company could have such a "I don't give a shit" attitude toward their game community. I guess that's an entirely different post. So to review, spamming buffs and doing whatever else to create zone lag to screw over other guilds is evidently OK. Unbelieveable. What's really difficult is trying to keep your members from engaging in the shit when SOE doesn't seem to care. We have taken pride in beating encounters clean and to read something like this is really disappointing.

TBA killed War last night eventually, and I blame no one but ourselves, because we had our chances and did not cash in. We've killed it every time before last night, so there were no great mysteries for us to figure out in the fight, we just did not execute.

So grats go where they are due, but lets not bullshit anyone here. The contested scores on Antonia Bayle are as follows:

Avatars: Eidolon 46, TBA 2

Contested Mayong: Eidolon 17, TBA 0

Pumpkin Head: Eidolon 30, TBA 4

Our advertising department worked up a graphical representation of the above statistics...




Now, tell me which guild sucks. Fortunately for you guys, there is no mercy rule for raiding. I mean for fuck's sake, those are football scores.



Win or lose, I have enjoyed competing against you guys for the last 2+ years of raiding, and had respect for your guild and its leadership. You guys shot yourselves in the foot in the respect department last night. I talked to folks last night, and today, and there won't be any more spamming or fireworks from us unless you guys start it first. Accept the challenge to beat mobs straight up without resorting to cheap shit if you want people to respect you. If you want to respect yourselves, try developing an original strategy now and then. The Fear kill was kinda cool, but it was a color-by-numbers imitation of stuff that people from other servers have leaked out.


I really hate having to feel like I need to respond to stupid bullshit, and your complaint kinda confuses me. After all, you killed the mob. So consider this post the first, and last thing I have to say publicly regarding your guild. And thanks for the added motivation.

Aelleor
Officer, Eidolon

Homegrown

are you fucking kidding me? i was there the entire fucking night and we didnt DO A DAMN thing against you guys except ONE firework that was fuckin reprimanded and taking a pull after saleak wiped us due to a body pull when we were in position
you fuckin show me who was doing whatever you are claiming and ill look into it, but i was there all night long and we sat back on our rock while yall were pulling (and iray, if ya saw a 30 minute eidolon pull your fuckin smoking rock, for the most part their pulls were 5-10 minutes for hours, as were ours) but while we were pulling we have many people who watched spam buffs, fireworks and the like.. You claim we pull this shit yet all i hear is empty fuckin acusations. Ever since that PHH night where yall thought your tranquility pets were a fucking needed addition to the lag, it has gotten worse and worse. You tell me who you are claiming in my guild was pulling this shit last night and ill see whats up, but since i was there all night long and already resolved our ONE firework issue about 2 hours before this mob was dead... id like to know w t f your talking about.
sooo random retard #1 (iray) get your fucking facts straight and get off eidolons cock... and aelleor, if you saw TBA members acting poorly you lemme know who was doing it... but for the like 6+ hours i was there i saw ONE thing that was done poorly and it was stopped on the spot.
and btw, this isnt about our kills record vs yours, you guys have obviously gotten a lot more kills than we have this tier thats not what we were trying to claim here, but fact of the matter is there was a lot of eidolon for hours last night doing everything in their power to fuck us over while we stood there waiting for you guys to either wipe or run the mob off... pull after pull
no excuses, and dont fucking try to point the finger at us when we NEVER pulled the shit you guys were pulling, that was fucking dirty pool plain and simple.

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Endie

Well i think i have a couple things to say

1. Who the hell is TBA i mean i see you guys camping Avatars that Eidolon already killed but 40 vs 4 it makes me sad.... Are you guys even a raiding guild ??

2. If you spend more time out trying to get shit done instead of getting on the forums talking shit and wasting your time you might ... hell what am i saying might as well go back to casual game play because on AB your a laughing stock of raid guilds but thanks for trying to keep up with Eidolon....

3. I dont think Eidolon should even say your name again.... i mean shit guys grow some balls kill some Avatars maybe 1 contested a month or just go back to raiding 3 nights a week

AND FOR GODS SAKE GET OF Eidolons Sack the pie chart says it all

thank you for your time

Endie !!! from AB

Rylinea

Jaolyn

I was actually going to stay out of this discussion but welp, guess I need to add my 2cp.

There has always been more then friendly competition between Eidolon and TBA, that is no secret. The biggest problem between these two guilds is that we feed off of each others dislike for the other. Its shameful, plain pure and simple. Rather then friendly competition and respect for players doing their job well , we have sunken to the level of two year olds running to mother to stop an argument over a cookie, in this case, our mother being GM's with no understanding of the basic EULA.

Two weeks ago I would have agreed with you on our behavior at contested mobs. We had allowed ourselves to get carried into the trash talking nasty dirty tactics that have been used on us by your guild for months. If you say you are not guilty of these same tactics, I will just shake my head and know your for the deluded human that you are. After the War kill and a similar poor showing at PHH, the hammer was leveled at the guild. They were reminded that it has NEVER been guild policy to distract another guild at a contested mob, ever. Yes, there was one .. one .. casting of fireworks last night , and that member was quickly and appropriately smacked.

As for spam buffing while you pulled, perhaps what you saw was rebuffing after our wipes. Once groups were up and we moved away, yes, we did rebuff, I would assume you did that too. To be quite honest, when my group is alive, I rebuff them to be ready for the next pull if that should come our way. Rebuffing our groups was not meant as distraction for your guild, and as far as I saw, we were always done long before you pulled. Once you pulled, we stood and watched. We didn't cast fireworks or buffs, we kept mounts down, no one had illusions, there was nothing from our guild to add to the already atrocious lag. If you think you saw other wise, or have proof of such, I would like to see it . It is NOT something that is either encouraged or condoned by the leadership of this guild. It is disrespectful, malicious and just plain stupid behavior in my opinion and has no place in an environment that was created for fun.

Some of you know me , a lot of you don't. Hopefully, those that do will hear what I am saying and know it to be the truth. I have friends in Eidolon, I respect your accomplishments, I enjoy the competition even when we aren't the victors, and I look forward to pushing into RoK with that competition firmly intact. Quite frankly, if there were no competition, I wouldn't raid. How boring would that be ?

So, why don't we try this .. lets stop the he said , she said, they did, we did crap and just kill stuff. No more of this petty childish behavior at contested. The challenge of the encounter ought to be our focus instead of watching and worrying over our (yours and our ) pulls being disrupted by juvenile behavior that is better suited to children on a play ground then by responsible adults. All we end up doing is cementing the reputation of raid guilds and raiders as asshats in the eyes of the rest of the server and further escalating both frustration and anger between the two guilds at contested spawns. Maybe that doesn't bother you, but it does me.

I don't expect we will all be friends or one big happy family, but there has to be something in between that and being total assholes to each other. Its degrading behavior by anyone doing it , they should be ashamed of themselves for making their guild mates look as foolish as they are.

As for the fanbois , both guilds have their share. That's ok I guess, but to them I say, thanks for the support, but unless you were there, unless you have something worth adding, keep your snide comments to yourself. If you don't raid, you can't possibly understand what goes into it , if you do raid on this server, grats to you, but if you weren't there, you don't have anything of value to add to an already combustible situation, so please, just... don't.

Come on guys, lets just face the challenge of the mob, and leave the bullshit behind !

~J