Divisions of Anarchy - Kithicor

Stormfists · 09-04-2007, 06:01 AM

Due to that lack of screenshots and evidence I dont expect this to be rated exceptionally, and its more of an opinion survey than an official rant...

Divisions of Anarchy a new raid guild on Kithicor like to host guild raids that are advertised as public raids.

They have this fantastic DKP system for open raids that they host where DoA members can bid all the DKP they obtain from guild raids (some up to 500dkp apparently) and the other half of the raid that isnt in DoA can only bid 20dkp allocated to them by DoA at the start of the raid, woot.

It was hard for me to understand at first because it seemed a bit unfair to anyone not in DoA, but thanks to Niyonn explaining to me that because 13/24 people in the raid were DoA members, they got priority to bid more dkp on loot - easily outbidding the public part of the raid. He explained that he dkp's his public raids because his guild members always attend guild raids so they deserve priority.

Although to be honest, to me that sounds a lot like a sheduled guild dkp raid.

But its ok I was wrong, because it wasnt sheduled according to Niyonn it was just thrown together. But it does still sound a little like a guild dkp raid. But I was wrong again, because they didnt have enough attendance for a guild dkp raid. It did seem like they were lacking guild attendance and just dupped two groups of publics to come and help them in HoS and them gank all the loot. But thankfully I was wrong again because Niyonn enlightened me by letting me know that DoA should get loot rights as they are holding a 13/24 stake in the raid. So they're only getting thier just rewards for hosting the raid is how he exlpained it. To be honest, it seems like a pretty shitty way to split loot. But guess what? According to Niyonn I was wrong again.

I did mention to him that without the other 11 public people he hasnt really got a chance in here and that it was a "He needs them and they need you" situation, but thankfully I was wrong yet again because he thinks that this is the only way as /randoming doesnt work. I did think it has worked on every single public ive been to except the one im mentioning, but I was probably wrong about that too.

(retard.definition;a person of subnormal intelligence)

Here are the foundations:

Public raid hosted by DoA
13/24 of raid was DoA
11/24 of raid was public
DoA members can bid up to 500dkp on loot
Public members can bid up to 20dkp on loot

I know loot isnt everything and all that and tbh I was raiding with an alt that didnt really need a thing from HoS as not many people do these days, but there were people in the raid external from the guild in my group that were displaying thier concerns about the loot system. I bailed early but I would like to hear how it all turned out.

Im definately looking forward to tonights raid so I can kit out more DoA members, it should be a blast.

Does anyone think im being unfair in thinking that Niyonn is a retard for an apparent public system that is biased towards his guild members that are in the raid?

Stormfists

PS: Faabio suck my balls.

Meta · 09-04-2007, 06:23 AM

That does sound a bit unfair. When you have an open raid you have to give everyone a shot at the loot.

I did a pickup raid with Society of Depravity a while back on my troub and really got more than my fair share of loot due to good luck, but not even a tiny bit of whining or a single nasty comment from their members.

That said I did a lab run with DoA and didn't see any stupid DKP system. It was stress free and perfectly normal, apart from the displays of retardation in vent (but hey, it was lab). The nightchord boots that dropped were rolled on and someone else won them... iirc.

It sounds like a hell of a lot of work and effort for the totally shit stuff that drops in HoS. I could understand maybe wanting to devise a sneaky way of protecting loot from FTH or MMIS pickups, but not shitty KoS crap.

Edit: You get 1 star. It'd be a half decent piece of whistle blowing if there were some screenshots of the DKP con being explained.

Stormfists · 09-04-2007, 06:36 AM

I have script logs of the convosation, ill post them when im home from work but screenshots would have been better.

Legate · 09-04-2007, 08:48 AM

Niyonn is a girl FYI.
And its always been like that with her.
She shows favouritism in her members (More specifically a couple more than others).

I'de say your best to just don't go again.

/randoming works fine. Hell, we do it in my guild. It has its shitty sides but we DO pickup people.
I mean, yah, it sucks to lose a peice of gear to a pickup you'll never see again, but if you don't like it, RECRUIT.

Meta · 09-04-2007, 09:07 AM

Simple fact is they'll get a bad rep for that. And if you're semi-serious about raiding and recruiting, then every pickup could be a potential recruitment exercise. If you screw over the people you pick up, that does a shitload of damage to your reputation and well, you might as well forget about recruiting.

Dantel · 09-04-2007, 11:30 AM

I see a lot of DOA hosted pug's which only tells me they lack the numbers to do any real consistent raiding by themselves. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's just how it seems.

That being the case I went on 1 DOA pug for Harla'Dar. Needed it for my wurmy so figured what the hell, if I can get it out of the way and not bother my guild for a Harla'Dar raid then I'm all the better.

They did /random for loot, but then ToS being the uber loot table that it is didn't really drop anything.

The thing I was most impressed with was the horrible game plan for clearing the mobs in the order they should be cleared. It was doomed from the start, and did indeed fail in the end.

I've only heard bad things since then from guildies and others in the game. So I understand where you're coming from heh.

Sharpteath · 09-04-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantel

I see a lot of DOA hosted pug's which only tells me they lack the numbers to do any real consistent raiding by themselves. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's just how it seems.

meh, I wouldn't assume this to be totally true. I only say that because my guild does KOS on off nights. Not always having a full raid we host something for the hell of it.

On the other hand, trying to impose some stupid DKP system on a bunch of people out of guild is pretty stupid.

chutta · 09-04-2007, 04:29 PM

Eh, it's not all that stupid. Think about it from the guildies stand point. If you're in a guild with DKP and you go on raids and earn your DKP, and then you can't spend it and lose out on a roll to some pickup person. I would think that sucks more. But either side of the fence, someones getting screwed. You always have the option of just not participating. So if this was all explained ahead of time, and you still went on a pickup raid knowing the loot rules and you are still bent out of shape, well then it just sucks to be you.

Stormfists · 09-04-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chutta

Eh, it's not all that stupid. Think about it from the guildies stand point. If you're in a guild with DKP and you go on raids and earn your DKP, and then you can't spend it and lose out on a roll to some pickup person. I would think that sucks more. But either side of the fence, someones getting screwed. You always have the option of just not participating. So if this was all explained ahead of time, and you still went on a pickup raid knowing the loot rules and you are still bent out of shape, well then it just sucks to be you.

Your missing the point.

DKP The members have earned at official guild raids should be spent at official guild raids. This was a public raid, nothing to do with DoA apart from the fact that they created the first group of people.

Guild raids -> Guild dkp

Thats like turning up at a public raid and saying "Yea but I raided last night with my guild and im spending my dkp here".

If one person in a public raid turned around and said that 23 other people would be like "Wtf, no." But the only difference is that 13 other people said it and not only one person.

chutta · 09-04-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormfists

Your missing the point.

DKP The members have earned at official guild raids should be spent at official guild raids. This was a public raid, nothing to do with DoA apart from the fact that they created the first group of people.

Guild raids -> Guild dkp

Thats like turning up at a public raid and saying "Yea but I raided last night with my guild and im spending my dkp here".

If one person in a public raid turned around and said that 23 other people would be like "Wtf, no." But the only difference is that 13 other people said it and not only one person.

Um, I must have missed that spot in the end user agreement I click on everyday where it layed out the rules for "public" raids. Oh wait, no I didn't cuz it's not there.

If a guild hosts a public raid, they get to make up their own rules to the raid. There is no bill of rights for public raids. They made up their rules, they told you the rules, you raided. 1 person can do that, and I have seen them do that where their rule is, if X item drops, I get it, otherwise y'all can roll. Whomever is hosting, makes the rules, and if you don't like it, don't go on the raid. Or if you don't like it, join their guild and earn DKP. Either way, stop whining and play the game.