zigzdnine

You are a drama queen.

That doesn't make you wrong.

Original poster has it pretty much dead on. If you don't believe him, then you have never raided with MoC.

If the rest of you demand screenshots to know that it's true, I invite you to raid two or three times with MoC. You will get more than enough screenshots and logs to prove whatever you need proof for.

ciginu

Masters of chaos is a family guild. It does have raiding issues as most families guild do.
Roz does a good a job with what she has to work with . I would say , why dont you try to be in her shoes, raiding with a guild that made up of casuel players who dont show half time. I have raided with them and yes it not the perfect raid guild but they dont claim it to be. I think if you tried to run raids on a nightly basis with not knowing who gona show up , what gear they in , who leaving early , what knowledge of the raid these players have. IT a fine line to walk. I do raid and i do raid alot. I have raided with them. I think you need to stop the bashing cause u got told and got your feelings hurt.
Alot people come here and bash the guild leaders when in all it really there own game play and lack of respect that is the issue. When your players go afk before a pull. Stand around during battle not knowing where to attk from or what to do cause they dont bother to listen to the raid leader, is it the raid leader fault. Why dont u get your fellow players to listen , to help by paying attn and doing what asked. I have raided with roz many times . I have made many sugeestions to her, some she followed some she did not. Is it cause i know what im doing and you have proved to be a fucknut. Maybe we need to know more about you . Is there a reason she dosent listen to you . Like you a noob and needs to stfu so the rest of raid can hear instructions. I dont know cause i dont know you. But i do know for a fact that she listened to my suggestions and implemented it to the best that would suit her raid at that time under those conditions. You all act like you know it all. Present your idea , the proper way ,she will listen and decide. There are always people who know more. Master of chaos is not , I REPEAT A RAIDING GUILD , it a family guild that raids. They raid not for loot but for fun. they dont parse. They dont go in with the idea of having to be perfect.

Now on to your acussation that roz is selfish. My good man only thing i can say is i dont see it. This is a person who still raids courts for her guildies. They run raids in all tiers. 1st let me say that i have went back and helped her out on the lower raids becuse people like you would not show up for them and they couldnt fill them. Why u ask? cause i respect anyone that gives thier time to help lower lvls achieve.

As far abeci goes. I'll put her integrity up agianst your any day of the week.
Go find a guild, quit your badmouthing, stfu, play the game, and maybe one day you will be thought of as highly as i do her.

I am a former guild leader. I have heard this all before. You cant be in 10 places at one time. When your guild has 600 members or however many they now what the hell u expect.

Here is my assessment of master of chaos. They raid. They group. They quest.
They are not a raiding guild. It full of good people who strive, yes not perfectly, to help maintain a fun but yet productive guild.

So from what i gather from this OP is that you had you had your pussy hurt. Grow some balls. Move on.

I salute Masters of choas for trying to maintain a guild where players can group, still raid, play alts without the demands on them.

If the orignal poster thinks it easy. Make a guild. BUild it to one the biggest on the server. Then maybe ill come here and defend your sorry ass when one your exguildies gets his wrist slapped and crys foul

Camphor

to zigzdnine, the the body of this flame im staying out of this but your post has little credibility unless you specify your toon name

zigzdnine

I was not referring to their ability to raid in my comment. I was referring to the family that leads the guild.

I have no screenshots to post, nor any logfiles, since I am not willing to interact with that family anymore if at all possible. No, I know I have no credibility since I am not willing to say who I am. There are two reasons I don't want to say who I am, the minor one being that I don't want to see the backlash that might come if my officers see me badmouthing roz. But the REAL reason is because I don't want my friends who still like roz to be pissed at me (including you Camph, we've known each other for a rather long time...). Roz has a tendency to create a highschool style 'he-said/she-said' environment, and can make even good friends get pissed at each other over dumb stuff.

And besides, didn't you leave MoC Camph? What was that all about?

Camphor

you are correct i did leave masters of chaos, due to a personal problem, that on one time id like to have blamed on rozalia, but the simple fact is i had to deal with my own shit at my own pace, and being around the way i was, was simply leading me in a bad direction, that being said I am neither defending nor supporting MoC it is no longer my place to do either, i made my comment in the spirit of eq2 flames, i still have a fair amount of respect for MoC regardless of possible past trasgresions, i also have respect for so called enemys of MoC but i digress, the point is that its hard for a post to mean anything unless your toon name or some other significant information is given,

Goth

And As the original Poster, I have respect for MOC as a entire guild, not just for ROZ and her Bull shit. Shes a drama queen, who when things dont go her way throws a fit. And last night in 60 chat she got personal.. PERSONAL. I would never bring her RL issues into a game, one of which I know a few of because I respect her!. But she acused me in 60-69 channel of abusing my wife, and that is not kosher, because for one she doesnt know what we are going through and two it was uncalled for, over an argument in 60-69 that had NOTHING to do with her, she was just creating more drama that didnt need to be said. And on that note, I am going to leave it alone. Yes I got hurt Ciginu, it is a tight knit family guild and I felt betrayed, but Im stronger than that, and just felt people out there should know how Roz treats people and possible is a deterent for people who are like me ie. Opiniated DO NOT join MOC. If I can save frustration of one person then this post was a success if not, oh well.

On a side note You do know me Cig, and you have a tendency of backing up bad guild leader. Deathhunter ring a bell? You are a tool ciginu, and would do anything to make the current guild leader of the guild your in happy. Check your nose man I think there is still some shit on it.

Ralalron

Lol. That's horrible Rin

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Rinion

Can I merge the Cult of Pie with MoC?

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FireCat1375

As an officer of Spirit Callers and a former member of MoC (I used to take Kerriss over there to help with Courts raids, etc. also) and being stuck as part of this since my name was specifically mentioned with this drama (and yes, I have the logs and screenshots to prove the Spirit Callers conversations and conversation with Abeci), I refuse to take either side for several reasons.

It's actually the main cause of why I have been playing a great deal of Vanguard lately. Too much drama for a simple game. Ironically, knowing what I do about the whole situation between both guilds, I want to be able to resolve this, NOT cause strife between us. Hence one of the reasons why Yazmyne asked that NO FLAMING of MoC happen by guild members.

True, the drama between both guilds didn't start until Goth, his wife, and Camphor joined Spirit Callers, then escalated. And it seems to have died down after Goth and his wife left due to other SC-related circumstances.

So even though I may have my own issues about MoC, I will quietly stand on the sidelines and watch as this unfolds. I have never meant any ill-will towards Roz, Anuk, Abeci, or anyone else in MoC (I miss my catnip-pipe partner Lojon though!), and I dearly miss raiding with them.

Kerriss

Edit: Camp, love ya lots hun, but you know why I mentioned ya ;)

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Mable

You should merge the Cult of Pie with my alt guild, the Frilly Pink Bunnies imo!