ambiorix

please shoelace, all pathetic parties involved

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ambiorix

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Auroz

Ok, k I am not bashing looks, and its awesome older people play this game, but the first pic of her looks like she's a grandma! It's just weird to think a grandma is writing these posts, playing eq, and wallowing in drama. Ok, she looks younger in the other pics.. advice.. make your hair less white. Whenever I read flame and drama posts, I just assume they are in their 20s or younger, maybe some in their 30s. But damn, I just can't imagine my mom on a forum flaming and talking about game drama, so seeing people her age is weird.

Disclaimer... like I said, its awesome people of all ages play this.. I just would think stuff like flames and drama would be the least of things you think about by then being so mature. Just relax and enjoy life and laugh at the young idiots when you're 50+ lol.

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ambiorix

omg, after further perusal of that broad's blog, there really are some freaks-of-nature boxing on EQ2. God, i'm such a loser

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Dilfx

She was smoking hot in 1971, for what it's worth.

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Ruhl

Well I was bored at work and I read over this thread and all blog entries by the original poster. Here are my thoughts for what it is worth.

1. Shawnee starts playing Everquest 2 for whatever reason, and is instantly addicted to the game because it really is addictive and also fun.

2. Shawnee is not really playing EQ2 to raid or be in a guild that raids, teamwork is not at the top of her priority list, she just wants an escape from real life, she mainly plays the game to socialize

3. Shawnee meets someone who is in raiding guild and wants to join to be with him (loot and fabled gear was probably not an issue, because most women could care less, they just want to socialize)

4. Shawnee does not have a toon that is ready to raid, so with the best interest of the guild in mind, the guild leaders allow her to use a toon they already have, this allows Shawnee to join the guild immediately and jump right in the raiding action.

5. The way I see it, when Shawnee agreed to take on the role of playing the Mystic for the raids, she entered into a verbal agreement. This verbal agreement probably was not stressed enough and the thought of seeing the toon leaving the guild was overlooked.

6. Shawnee decides that raiding is not for her, she just wants to log in and socialize, and she is not ready to raid and does not have the mindset needed for raiding.

7. Instead of just bowing out, letting the guild leaders know that raiding is not for her, and giving the toon back to the guild like any normal person would, she decides to leave the guild (breaking the verbal agreement) and moving servers.

8. The guild leaders wanted their toon back and SOE gave it back to them.

Shawnee, nothing personal against you or the way you play the game, but I think the right thing for you do in this case would have been to let your guild leaders know that the guild and raiding was not for you, and gave them back their toon. They was kind enough to allow you to use a toon that was already leveled and join in on raids that you probably was not ready for skill wise.

Did you approach you guild leaders to let them know that you did not like the guild and wanted to move on? Did you try to work things out with your guild leaders? The guild leaders cannot make you play a toon, but they can loan toons to people, even if it is against the rules.

I know many guild leaders will do anything they can to see the goals of their guild get accomplished. This does not mean they are being manipulate, this means they are goal orientated and working their asses off to see that the guild goals are accomplished. Those extra actions can range from doing one more writ to finishing up a HQ. They can also involve power leveling up a much needed class for raids, or loaning someone a character to play.

I think all in all, you just were not ready to raid Shawnee. When you saw what it takes, and the effort involved, you decided the guild and raiding was not for you. 5-6 raids a week can be very demanding. I personally cannot handle more than 3-4 raids per week.

Now, if the original owners of the account did in fact use your credit card information to charge you and get the toon back, shame on them. You can easily get that money back by calling up your credit card company. If they did not use your credit card information, then maybe you were using that story to add fuel to the fire?

Regardless of who was right and who was wrong in this situation, the guild leaders did not GIVE you a character. They LOANED you one to raid with. Even is this was not said or if it was, anyone should be able to see that. The original information still pointed to the original owners as the one who truly owned the character.

Consider this example. Real life examples usually suck, but I will try.

Your car is broke and you need to borrow mine for the weekend. Although I said “Shawnee I will give you my car for the weekend” it did not mean GIVE it to you. The car title is still in my name and after the weekend is over, I want my car back. However, come the end of the weekend, you start screaming that I GAVE the car to you because that is what I said. Well, even though that is what I said, that is not what I ment. I still owned the car and it was intended to just be a loaner for the weekend. I really did not give you anything, just access to the car.

Do you start to see your guild leader’s point now and why they took the toon back? Your broke the agreement and that agreement although not clearly written or expressed, was that the toon was made available to you so you could raid with the guild. The moment you decided that you did not want to raid with them anymore you should have taken actions to transfer to character back to the original owners.

Godspeed to all of those involved in the drama,
Ruhl
The Norrath Secret Society

Ruhl

By the way, I would vote to remove this thread out of the "Your guild sucks" forum.

Just becuase one older lady was loaned a character to raid with, did not like raiding, then moved off the server in order to retire the toon and sell it later, does not mean that the guild she was in sucks.

I have seen no proof that the guild she was in actually sucks.

Centrist

I think that as the thread has wore on, some of the original facts got a little cloudy. There's a dispute over whether the toon was a "loan" or not. I was an officer in that guild at the time and Bitzi (who was the original toon's owner) was quitting the game because Gull (her husband and the leader of the guild) was out of work. She wanted to give up the toon so someone could play it and because she was cancelling her accounts, not specifically to have someone raid with it.

Shawnna didn't come to the conclusion that she didn't like raiding. She left the guild for other reasons and then ultimately decided to quit. It's my understanding (I could be wrong, because I'm only repeating what I've been told) is that she offered the toon back to Bitzi for the money that she had invested in it (somewhere between $200 and $400, although I'm not exactly sure what she and bitzi discussed -- covering the cost of the new account and transfer fees and all that). Bitzi refused and got the toon back with Sony's help, knowing that it would be banned (which it probably is) pretty much out of spite.

All that aside, read through the thread and some of the crap that was posted.. and LFG's comment about this thread having some of the weirdest shit he's ever seen. I think that you can pretty much imagine what the guild was like, based on the way that some of the current members of the guild behave (one of whom -- rezden/fyrestorm -- got a ban/suspension for using sockpuppets in this thread). I mean seriously -- wtf did any of that spy shit have to do with Shawnna's original gripe? LFG identified the sockpuppet that posted that shit as rezden -- one of the current officers of harbingers.

Maybe the original post deserved a rate-a-retard.. but the way the thread unfolded, a your guild sucks is probably well deserved.

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Ruhl

So out of all this mess it comes down to was the word "give" or "loan" used. If only it was that simply. You also have to take into fact "intent".

What was the real intentions of "giving" or "loaning" the mystic to someone? Since the guild was a raiding guild, it is safe to assume that the mystic was "given" or "loaned" to someone that would play it for the raids.

I think it all boils down to the inabilty of people to work out thier issues. It is nothing new here, happens all the time. It seems that there was also a big miscommunication error. I can cleary see how both sides of this issue feel wronged.

The only real judge in this matter is SOE. They have made thier ruling and given the account back to the orginal owners. I guess it is time to file an appeal?

Just H

You misrepresent the truth here Cent. Yes I had talked about quitting if my husband did not find a job soon because I am responsible and will not throw money away on a game when finances are tight. At the point this transaction took place I was not out of the game. I was very active. I had paid my account through the end of January and my husband got a job offer and started that job before the end of January. You know good and well that the purpose of having Shawnna play that toon was to be our raid mystic. Saying it was anything else is a lie. Everyone in the freaking guild knew it. You are attempting to distort things to try to make the jury see it the way you would like them to.


You are wrong. This was never proposed to me. Pay her $200 or $400 WTF? I received NO compensation for a level 76 toon that was fully Adept3/Mastered with Fabled gear. Why should I pay to get it back? That is ridiculous. Just because she is dumb enough to pay for a year in advance? When I set that account up it was on monthly not annual, therefore the annual subscription fee is her problem not mine. I DID offer to pay transfer fees but that was ignored. So this whole mention of a proposal of some sort to work things out is totally fabricated.

Rezden said nothing. Leave him alone. He was nothing but nice to you ever. I think Fyre's purpose in posting all your kooky spy stuff is insight into what kind of people you are.

Yes we see what kind of person you are from your posts Cent. A stand up guy eh? Always offering sage advice with colorful words.... How old are you btw? Old enough to be my dad right? I know Shawnna is older than my mom....

I heard something funny on NPR today and it made me think of you and Shawnna. Blogs/forums are the updated high tech way for people to scribble on bathroom walls or babble from their barstool to bitch about anything and everything that no one cares about.

Move on.

Oh and btw the guild is doing great thanks! We have an awesome group of people. Moral is high and we are doing better than ever clearing Tier 2 and laughing and having fun together. Funny how that happens when you get rid of the bad seed/seeds that do nothing but bitch and moan all the time.

How is Delusion progressing? I heard it is kind of rough spending an hour on two trash mobs in ToT with multiple deaths.... I feel bad for the poor suckers that listened to your big talk and joined your little delusional guild. Good luck!


/cheers