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Old 03-15-2008, 04:03 PM  
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Icon7 Harbinger owners "Gull" and "Bitzi" stole my EQII account!

"Gull" (aka RL NAME REMOVED) and "Bitzi" (aka RL NAME REMOVED) - owner's of Harbingers on the Blackburrow server have stolen my EQII account by using credit card information I trusted them with earlier this year when they transferred "Alledria" to me.

When I agreed to take over "Alledria", I made sure there were no conditions attached. "Bitzi" assured me that if she wanted to play a mystic again, she would just power level a new toon. "Centrist" was on the phone when this conversation took place and can confirm that.

It appears now that Gull used my credit card information I gave him to steal my EQII account as "Alledria" was moved back to Blackburrow with a new name - "Soofi" in the last couple of days.

"Gull" is a pathetic excuse for a man. He is totally defined by EQII - whether it's his personal parse or his guild's level/status.

"Bitzi" is even more pathetic for trying to change history and the facts about how this has unfolded.

I have notified my bank that these two individuals - RL NAME REMOVED (aka "Gull") and RL NAME REMOVED (aka "Bitzi") have used my credit card without my permission and I will be filing a complaint with the Arkansas state police as well.

And of course, SOE has been notified via email support and I will be calling them Monday to discuss this illegal activity that violates both the law, and their User Agreement.

And I admit I violated the SOE User Agreement as well. I am new to this whole MMPORG world and relied on "Centrist", "Gull" and "Bitzi" to be sure we did nothing wrong. I take full responsibility for trusting those obviously unworthy of my trust.

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Old 03-15-2008, 04:21 PM  
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Default Re: Harbinger owners "Gull" and "Bitzi" stole my EQII account!

You won't get the account back, but you can get it banned by providing a complete and truthful explanation to CS.

Good luck to you.
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Old 03-15-2008, 04:33 PM  
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You won't get the account back, but you can get it banned by providing a complete and truthful explanation to CS.

Good luck to you.
That is exactly what I intend to do. Thanks!
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Old 03-15-2008, 08:05 PM  
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Default Re: Harbinger owners "Gull" and "Bitzi" stole my EQII account!

Since Shawnna's new here, let me back up a little of what she said. First off, I was an officer in the guild she refers to (Harbingers) as many of you might remember from my pithy recruiting posts. Bitzi (also Liev) was set to quit the game back in December, because Gull lost his job right after RoK came out. She wanted to give away some toons, so she didn't have to pay for the accounts. I had a friend, Shawnna, who was new to the game and had made a mystic. Bitzi and Gull thought it might be good to give her Alledria, who was a Level 74 mystic at the time because the toon wasn't used much, Bitzi was cancelling her account anyway, and because we needed a mystic for our raid force.

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(1198032802)[Tue Dec 18 21:53:22 2007] \aPC -1 Liev:Liev\/a says to the officers, "well if she is interested in alledria im willing to part with her but i don't know how we would work teh transfer"
After about a month, Gull was getting impatient that Bitzi (holly) and Shawnna hadn't transferred the toon to Shawnna et.

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(1199663849)[Sun Jan 06 18:57:29 2008] \aPC -1 Gull:Gull\/a says to the officers, "get Shawna and Holly off their butts about the toon xfer cent....her playing alledria at this point wont be any worse than no mystic or val as our mystic"
Later that night, Bitzi talked to Shawnna and they were going to transfer the toon to Shawnna's account (which she had paid for a full year of service on). There were problems, though, due to the way the character transfer service works.

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(1199672290)[Sun Jan 06 21:18:10 2008] \aPC -1 Gull:Gull\/a says to the officers, "at this point our option may only be to have her start up a new account and register it under holly, then have holly xfer alledria to the new account and shawnna take it over"
Fair enough. Shawnna agreed to setup another account and paid for another full year of service on that account. To do this, however, Gull wanted Shawnna's credit card information, so he could setup the account and make the transfer.


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(1199673157)[Sun Jan 06 21:32:37 2008] \aPC -1 Bitzi:Bitzi\/a says to the officers, "ok gull said if i get her info and write it down and he will do it"
Shawnna complied, because she was happy to take the toon and pay the expenses (she was in for $400 at this point with the transfer fees and service charges).

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(1199675489)[Sun Jan 06 22:11:29 2008] \aPC -1 Gull:Gull\/a says to the officers, "WOOT we gotta new mystic"
And Gull was more than happy that we had a new mystic in the guild.

In February, I left the guild for reasons that aren't really relevant here, other than that fact that Gull's one seriously puffed up smidgin of blowfish shit and raiding with his braindead, trailer-trash ass was not the way I was going to spend 5-6 nights/wk anymore. Of course, being a petty little douche of a human, Gull and Bitzi wanted Alledria back. Obviously, Gull has saved Alledria's credit card information and stole the toon back using it.

Not everyone in Harbingers was pleased about their actions, but it was very "hush hush" that yesterday, Gull stole the account and moved the toon back to Blackburrow from another server, where Shawnna had gone to get away from Bitzi's constant harassment. the toon is now named Soofi.





yeah.. the best that will happen is that the toon will get banned and Shawnna is out her $400.. but "YOUR GUILD SUCKS" will live on forever.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:47 PM  
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That's so wrong on so many levels. Sometimes I wish you can just pump bleach in their veins while humming The Sound of Music while they perish in unspeakable agony... At least you'll feel better.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:58 PM  
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Let this be a lesson to everyone.. NEVER EVER give out your personal info like that. I work ina bank and I can't tell you how many times people get thier identity stolen or htings like this happen.

Good luck hun. I feel for you. I hope this account gets banned. And for everyone in the guild, I would RUN, people like this can not be trusted. I know, no matter how much I liked someone, if they pulled this kind of shit I would NEVER ever support them and thier guild.
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Old 03-16-2008, 12:24 AM  
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You were the worst Mystic in the history of this game Shawnna.

What you fail to mention in your sad sad tale of RL NAME REMOVED is that we let you have use of that toon because we needed a raiding Mystic. The toon was never meant to leave the guild. And since Centrist said you were smart and could pick it up in no time we let you use it. Well that did not work out. You were terrible at the game. Then you also fail to mention that you pulled the toon from our guild less than one month later. Centrist informed me that he was going to tear our guild apart and he was going to take everyone he had ever recruited to Harbingers and take them to Delusion. He was going to do all of this using one of my own toons against me.

I waited and let things cool off after that and later contacted him re. getting the toon back.

I contacted you and Centrist (Wayne) since we are using real names here about returning the toon to my account at my expense. You refused to even have a conversation with me in game and insist on using email and directing me to your little blog so I could read about what a nut job you are.

http://shawnna.wordpress.com/2008/03/08/eqii-and-spiritual-growth-part-2/

Here is an excerpt from your own blog:

"The man I cared so deeply for has been playing EQII a very long time. There is a feature that allows you to name your pet and when I joined EQII, I saw he had named his pet after me. Needless to say I felt it was a sign of our deep caring of one another and our mutual friendship. And my hubris was fueled - again. I truly thought I was “special”.
When we broke out of the original guild and he formed his own brand new guild, he immediately named his pet after another woman he had become “friends” with in the course of recruiting for his new guild. When I expressed my hurt, he renamed his pet after me and said that in the EQII world, that’s how things are done. Of course he followed it up with that I was his only out-of-game friend but I sincerely doubt that.
*shrugs*
A few days later I saw he had changed his pet’s name again to this new ‘friend’ of his and well…. the hurt I felt can’t be described in words. And it wasn’t because he had a new ‘friend’ - it was because even after expressing how I felt - he did it anyway.
Obviously my own hubris needed to be taken down - AGAIN. I wanted so much to be someone “special” to him - for many reasons. You see, I truly thought we were authentic friends, not acquaintances. Obviously what I value and treasure in a friend was definitely not shared.
Then it dawned on me as I reflected back that the man I cared for made quite a habit of saying one thing and then doing another. I suppose we all act like that from time to time but when I wanted to talk with him about this he began lashing out at me - as if I had somehow done something wrong.
I’ve been forced to become painfully aware of my own inflated ego more often than I care to admit. During the last couple of years I was part of the “in” crowd in a couple of different forum communities - not because I really wanted to be there but because I made friends (or so I thought) with the rest of the “in crowd” and there I was. I became filled with self-importance and in at least one of the forums, took great pride in verbally castrating anyone I felt was not living up to the community’s standards. I could be counted on to tear down anyone who tried to express a view point contrary to the local school of thought. I did everything I could to endear myself to my ‘partners’ in this drama by doing research, paying for access to various databases we needed etc. I told myself I was helping the “team” - what I was really doing was trying to win the authentic friendship of my ‘partners’. Obviously things broke down and I couldn’t compromise who I am to serve their needs any longer and I left - heartbroken and disillusioned."



Now I can speculate the whole reason you would not return my toon was that you had to have an excuse to leech onto a married man that you are obsessed with. Because you knew that if you were a low level toon he would not pay any attention to you. Even though Centrist (as seen in the screenshot below) felt you should return her to me since you pulled her from our guild. Also note I said "Ill pay to transfer her back."





I did not steal your account you idiot. I legally petitioned SOE to have that account banned. I told them I shared the account information. I acknowledged that I screwed up. Well in the end they gave the account to me since it has MY NAME on it and MY TOON that I created in November of 2004. So I went in entered MY PERSONAL credit card information and I transferred the toon back to my account. You have full access to the account. I PAID TO HAVE HER TRANSFERED. I did not steal anything from you that was not mine. I don't want your stupid account.

I did not steal any of your personal information as falsely accused here Shawnna. SOE reset the entire account and the only charges I made to ANY credit cards were MY OWN! I am not a thief and would never do anything of the sort. Before you go falsely accusing people of making charges to your account you may want to check your credit card history because if there is anything on there it certainly was not by me or my husband.


I have been doing a lot of reading about you Shawnna and your entire life is nothing but a big drama. I have visited a lot of your forums you frequent and I suffered through your personal blog. I now see that yes I made a huge mistake letting you use my toon. Because now you will probably continue to smear me in real life and attempt to sue me or have whatever charges you can dredge up against me.

You are trying to hurt me in real life Shawnna and I have not broken any laws or stolen anything. This is a game. I did not take anything monetarily from you, you did not compensate me. You paid for an account and you still have that account. I have my original toon and yes I did rename her because I did not want to be associated with that old toon name anymore. Regardless of how you feel I did not do anything illegal. I petitioned SOE and gave them all of my personal information and they are able to look back at what credit card that toon was created on back in 2004. I am sorry if you feel like I have been unfair. All I wanted was what was mine and that was the toon that I leveled and MAY I MENTION that my husband paid for ALL of that toon's Tier 8 spell upgrades to Adept 3 or Master.

I know Centrist (Wayne) is an attorney and as you have stated via email you both intend to sue me or attempt to have criminal charges brought up against me. This is beyond comprehensible to me. I seriously hope that you will check your credit card activity and verify your accusations of me trying to charge to it. Because I only made charges to my own credit card. Like I said I am no thief. I would NEVER do anything of the sort and I am offended you have accused me based on no facts whatsoever.

Now something that I think is an EXTREMELY IMPORTANT LEFT OUT NOTE IN ALL OF THIS:
I was told that you were leaving the game and quitting EQ2 as of Tuesday (March 11 2008) of this week and that you had notified your guild Delusion of Blackburrow that you were going to sell the toon. You were asked what you wanted for the toon and you told them you wanted $500. $500 FOR A TOON I SPENT FOUR YEARS WORKING ON AND HAD ASKED YOU TO RETURN. But no you wanted to profit monetarily from my work and sell the account. You deguilded the toon and it was transferred to the Butcherblock server.

Now to my knowledge that account had been/or was being sold and you were not even affiliated with it anymore because according to your blog and your guildmates you were quitting.


So you are damn right I petitioned SOE to get my toon back. And that is what has happened.


Oh and I want to thank you for selling alll of the toon's fabled gear that was worth a damn like the Arm of Errollisi and other irreplaceable items.

You had her wearing leather armor......you had the wrong spells on the hotbars. You got rid of all the decent quest gear I had accumulated. So obviously this is not about playing the class or the game. You are here to socialize and what not. You can do that on any toon that YOU create and YOU level up and can put your own four years into.

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Old 03-16-2008, 12:37 AM  
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I would like to apologize to Harbingers and all of its members that due to my mistake our guild has been dragged down in all of this. I truly only wanted to help the guild and since I had a mystic and there was a willing player to help our raid force I let this all happen. I certainly never could foresee anything like this ever happening and I never would have done it had I known.

I have known many of you in this guild since launch and you are awesome people and I am sorry you are now being falsely associated with activities and bad behavior such as theft or stealing.

All I can say is I am sorry Harbingers.
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Old 03-16-2008, 12:57 AM  
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Shawnna was going to sell a level 80 toon I created and leveled for 4 years and let her have access to for one month and received use of for free. I don't see how this is right?

Shawnna updated her blog:

EQII “Harbingers” guild owners “Gull” and “Bitzi” stole my account! « Shawnna’s Reality

Shawnna stated on her blog:

"My plan was to hold the account until Sony begins their new game trading service later this month. At that time, I planned to sell the right to use her in order to recover my subscription cost which has been paid in full for a year."
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Old 03-16-2008, 01:05 AM  
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I would like to apologize to Harbingers and all of its members that due to my mistake our guild has been dragged down in all of this.
Oh.. so you at least admit to being a fucking scumbag and stealing the toon back. Now you're trying to justify it with that bullshit story? Who the fuck are you to steal the toon back because you didn't like the way shawnna played it?

You cost Shawnna a character transfer ($50) and the cost of another account which she paid a year for ($150). She only had to create that 2nd account because you wanted her to take the toon. Shawnna already had an account with a mystic on it, as you well know. So, you cost her $200 (at least) that you stole from her by stealing the toon off that account.

And you can't claim that the account that Alledria was on was created in 2004. You know that the account that Alledria was on was created on Jan. 6, 2008 with Shawnna's credit card (and admit to that in your lengthy wall of bullshit and nonsense). You used the information from HER credit card to get the toon back (that Ben obviously saved.. why? Did you plan on this all along?) along with the secret password for the account (which Ben obviously had, since he helped her setup the account).

Sounds like all you're trying to do is to justify how you fucked-over someone because they trusted you.
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