Draydin

The only logical statement in this entire thread... cheers Nofiia

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Kurizo

Ok then, to sum up:

1. Grimwell posts "OMG Second Dawn killed woushi!" In the same post it is revealed that Valor was also killed.

2. Xelus comments about there seeming to be a little bit of insider info. Considering a patch was just released which nerfed the encounter.

3. People flame back and forth. Grimwell steps in the middle and defends Second Dawn stating: "This is supposed to be a happy thread."

4. A member from Second Dawn comes to these boards and creates this thread calling Dissolution fucktards. A thread to discredit Dissolution because they supposedly discredited Second Dawn.

5. A bit of back and forth goes down between petgroup and 3 members of Dissolution regarding the POSSIBILITY of dev releasing info to Second Dawn. Xelus points out that Second Dawn is favored by the devs, because only two guilds have been publicly recognized by SOE, Ascendance and SD (you will see at the bottom of the eq2forums that grimwell later comes back and states they plan on recognizing everyone).

6. Subject changes to Dissolution being accused of stealing strats from Second Dawn on the Valor encounter (the one which was nerfed, inside info from devs, etc etc). Impulse states they pulled the mob to the water first. Second Dawn accused of stealing water strat from a certain guild 2 years ago.

7. Subject changes to whether or not Second Dawn beta tested Avatars. Petgroup maintains the position of if you can't prove it didn't happen.

8. Gaige joins the fray. For what reason other than to slander Dissolution nobody knows. Perhaps it's his own agenda of world domination and self humiliation, but one can never tell.

9. Several outsiders join the thread stating their opinion on the matter. Someone from Vagabonds calls someone from another guild a disso fanboi.

10. The guild leader of Second Dawn calls Ishbu of Dissolution a liar because ofa screenshot. At this point one can wonder after several oddly worded guild leader screenshots why do they speak to eachother?

11. Second Dawn then proceeds to taunt dissolution regarding the gardner and woushi encounter.

12. Back to the Valor encounter. Petgroup repeatedly states "show me parses of the encounter to prove they were changed."

13. Enter the lag debate. This was initiated by Exill. His comparison confirms Dissolution's position on the matter (but nobody notices). Second Dawn repeatedly has stated in the past 5-10 seconds lag on encounters on their server. Dissolution (while most people don't believe them) on the same encounters witness lag up to 45 seconds. Second dawn is congratulated for beating the counter first regardless of the lag issue.

14. Second Dawn brings up the mayong insider information. Which they proceed to accuse Dissolution of having as well. Assuming that since Dissolution had access to the beta forums, they saw posts about wolfsbane. The same posts that Second Dawn NEVER knew about. Second Dawn also states that Dissolution made a big stink about the Valor encounter. Go look at #4.

15. Back to Valor. Dissolution states that the Valor encounter use to spawn Warrior and Wizard Epic x2 adds but now spawn heroic. Petgroup maintains the position that if you don't have proof it never happened.

16. Nofiia enters the thread drunk making a complete idiot out of himself. Enter subject changing context regarding cheldrak. Dissolution is once again accused of discrediting Second Dawn.

17. Dissolution posts proof that Second Dawn has admitted to knowing about the Wolfsbane. Certain members of Dissolution are attacked by outsiders regarding their beliefs in the matter. Panthera then states "Your guild is based on being the best and if you can't be, others are cheating or not doing the proper way." Panthera accuses Dissolution of participating in beta as half a guild. Panthera is then smacked down by the hand of LFG. Exit Panthera.

18. Second Dawn then states they beta tested combat changes mostly. Not EOF until near the end, and not all of the raid zones they were in were complete. Petgroup still bitching about proof about Valor being changed. Second Dawn states they killed Mayong first because they saw a glimmer of chance (wolfsbane obviously). Second Dawn states they are not cheaters.

19. Gaige attempts to change the focus to FOH. Second Dawn then changes the statement about being in EOF, stating "We didn't have any extra time in EoF we tested KoS for combat changes." Wait which is it? It seems the story keeps changing.

20. Petgroup attacks Dissolution regarding their claims about the lag. Then comments later he will be making his own thread regarding Dissolution's claim to have more of a lagged delay on Nektulous when raid mobs charm member(s) of the raid force.

21. Gaige attempts to change focus of the thread to being about Dissolution degrading Second Dawn. He proceeds to brag about his vast experience in the matter, seeing the pull on nek and seeing the pull on unrest. He's yet to see the counter beat, but he's the expert, nobody else. He continues to debate being an expert on the matter without seeing the lag on najena where the debate is centered on.

22. Subject of the thread is then changed to Gaige vs Disso as he makes several attacks on guild members and is attacked back. Several areas of debate were whether or not Gaige was a Disso reject, Disso is a bunch of whiners, Falco goes back on his word, Gaige being a shitty Dirge, Disso being shit for keeping Gaige, Gaige spells better than Jakik, Gaige was ridiculed constantly because of his shitty skills, Gaige logging on consistantly, Gaige saying he doesn't worry about lag, Tater is lazy, everyone in Disso likes Kuri better than Gaige, Falco wanted to create his own site but changed his mind so he sucks because he can't stick by his word, Gaige identified as quitting the game and not having any relevance, Gaige tells everyone he will do what he wants.

23. LFG is attacked by Pryz.

24. Gaige then attempts to revive the Rumbler incident. Everyone Ignores Gaige.

25. Pryz attacks LFG

26. LFG is asked to stay out of the bullshit, LFG complies.

27. Second Dawn posts comments from Grimwell about the community being recognized. And then later incinuates that Dissolution does fine making themselves look bad.


Okay? So now here's where my curiosity is peaked.

Why is it that everyone keeps saying that Dissolution is accusing Second Dawn of sucking, cheating, exploiting, or not doing it right? It has never happened. People are attacking Dissolution for doing this and it's just not happening. Don't mix up fact and fiction to suit your agenda people.

It's very easy to hate on Dissolution, they are loud, obnoxious, rude, and socially unacceptable. We like it that way. Such is the way of a hardcore gamer. You can take all of your family hug me loves and kisses shit and shove it up your proverbial anal cavity. I like it when Ishbu calls me a fucking retard for fucking up.

One person makes a comment about the appearance of dev intervention and Second Dawn responds with discrediting attacks Dissolution. Yet throughout the entire post they keep bitching about Dissolution discrediting them. I find that particularly odd.

If Second Dawn really didn't have any inside info on the nerf then why would they create this thread to discredit Dissolution? A vendetta perhaps?

I could see their point if they are coming from the standpoint that they are happy about actually kicking ass and tired of Dissolution's failure to recognize it publicly. But come people get over it, obviously we're not going to go over and pat you on the ass.

The guild leader said it himself he would NEVER talk smack about Dissolution on his front page. This to me seems like someone is butt hurt about being called out for being a beta guild. It doesn't mean they lack skill. These encounters are not fucking easy in anyway, even if you have a solid strat. I'm sorry but it takes a whole lot of skill by everyone to get through them.

And another thing, all you fucking panzies out there who can't beat these encounters have no business commenting on debates between two guilds who can beat them.

Why you say? Because you lack the skill to understand the entire situation. You cloud up everything with your false pretenses and misconceptions of the actual events that transpire. You may think you understand by what you read about, but you don't. You don't have first hand knowledge of how the counter is beat.

Again I will state that I personally don't blame Second Dawn. If I had the opportunity to beta test encounters and get info so the guild I'm in can get phat lewts... fucking hooya. When it comes down to it, who gets the kill baby? That's all that matters. If someone says, well you beta tested it so you guys had an advantage, I'd be in their face "fuck yeah I did." Cry more noob. But I certainly wouldn't be in the face of another guild who did not beta test the current content.

It's like saying: Yeah I fucking owned you asteroids, yeah sure I got to see what the game did before you did, and ... yes I had time to come up with strats before you did, but I rock nonetheless. All bow down to the asteroid king!

Do you not see the difference?

If you world first encounters that you have tested and publicly gloat about it (or allow the officials at SOE to promote your kill), you cannot sit back and claim being in beta didn't help without someone throwing it back in your face.

You cannot sit back and say, we didn't know about wolfsbane, and then have your members state that it was in the beta forums, or even discussed with devs, and have someone NOT call you out on it.

You asked for it. You said beta doesn't give you the upper hand. You can't be pissed when someone says, ahhh that's bullshit beta is upper hand information factually.

In the history of beta raiding guilds, they more often than not ww1st encounters they test. You knew this going into it. Don't cry now when it's brought up.

Why is Gaige repeatedly coming here trying to bring up past situations that led to severe issues on these boards? Isn't it clear to you now LFG that Gaige has his own agenda and you're just eating out of his hand? Think about it man. Is that what you want? You make a post in the beginning saying you won't get involved but then you do right after your dear friend stirs the pot. I'm pretty sure you were very clear about the conditions about why you unbanned everyone.

Anyhow, I gotta take the family to the zoo today. I hope Gaige cleaned up all the shit in the pens! Please make sure you keep the ones you fuck nightly out of sight, my kids don't need to be damaged by your homosexually converted goat clique.

Kuri out (for now!).

Gage

Hmm...

Seems like some members of your guild need to listen to your advice too. As Ishbu, Calaglin, Xelus, Itoock and more all commented on the Gardener, Wuoshi, Mayong, The Matron and others before they could kill it.

At the point a lot of these threads were made the only ppl by your view who should be discussing these encounters are SD, because only they had killed them.

In fact 99.9% of the Gardener discussion came before Saturday, when Dissolution killed him. The remarks were based on just pulling the encounter, not beating it.

Which is exactly what my remarks are based on. Now that you guys have killed it once you're changing the rules?

I see.

Ah well, at least Strike and Aftermath can make fun of you along with SD now, with your new rule.

But just to clarify: Until Dissolution beats a mob they can bitch about it, whine about it and make assumptions about it as needed; however after they kill the mob only people who have killed it can do so.

That's what you're saying, right?

Khalan

You Forgot The most Important one Kuri:

28. Dissolution the guild with a proven track record of bitching everytime they lose a WW 1st, Conjurs up the idea with absolutely no proof that

A) SD has Insider Dev Help (Just like they did to NPU omg, pattern???)
B) That The Avatar of Valor Was nerfed
C) That their is More lag on Nektulos than Najena
D) Grimwell the NEW CM somehow favours them, even though it has been proven otherwise (By GW himself no less, although Im waiting for Disso to claim it was stated to cover his ass and hide the dev favouritism)
E) SD Had Weeks of beta testing EoF Raid Content (Lawlersk8's x 1000)


Add A-E and you get the following :

Dissolution a guild who although can kill shit (Much like EL and CL) has now become one of the Many Joke Guilds in the game that no one takes seriously exactly Like Ethereal Legacy and Chaotic Legion, They are known for World Wide 1sting the most bitching due to lack of trying encounters and they are renowed for giving up and Calling Impossible, until much more determined guilds (SD, NPU) go and World 1st stuff for them, to prove it's doable.


all I got to say to Disso people who try to defend this kind of Attitude is ;

Less QQ more PewPew.

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Draydin

Exactly how did CL get grouped in with that noise? We don't bitch, we don't whine, our members have never accused you of anything.

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Ranvarenaya

This is where it came from:


Those are Xelus exact words on eq2 official forums, and that's what pissed some people off. That is written as a statement of fact. It is baseless and untrue. Even if there was a change (which we doubt) there is no real evidence and absolutely no evidence that anybody called us up and said "Hey SD, Valor is gimp come kill it." To post that as fact on the official site is a shitty move, and I know I personally take that statement to mean our kill wasn't legitimate. There was absolutely no insider info leak, believe or not, and if Disso wants to fabricate claims every time we get a WW 1st we'll likely have more threads like this in the future.

Tater

So gaige are we not allowed to comment on something until we kill it? Just want to know cause I want nothing more then to apease you.

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Gage

Hey those are Kuri's rules not mine. Considering the vast majority of discussion about encounters comes from people who haven't killed it...

But whatever, we all know Disso makes the rules.

Psykil

Who the fuck is Khalan anyways? Do you know us?

If I had to guess Khalan is grasping for stuff to pinch on Disso, like saying they are as bad as us or someshit because Disso and us have history that the world clearly knows about.
However let me add one thing, us arguing with Disso is like when family members argue so if some stranger comes along and puts there 2 cents in they will get bitch slapped, Khalan dont talk about shit you know nothing about, or I will bitch slap you.

Oh and another thing, as Draydin stated we never provoked an arguement or made any accusations against you or your guild, so kindly do the same.

And as far as being a joke guild, we have killed everything you guys have minus Wuoshi, but as plainly proven Gardner dead= Wuoshi dead, I wont make excuses up to why he isnt dead yet, but we are putting in our time, and it will die soon rest assure.

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Khalan is not in Second Dawn