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Old 09-28-2006, 03:41 PM  
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I will also add that friends will oft times come to the defense of other friends at the first sign of trouble, then slap them on the head later when they find out they were being a retard and deserved it. .
I think NGD "regulars" to some degree share the same mentality as a large family with a bunch of kids. It is ok if I fuck with my brother, and occasionally hate his guts, but god be damned if anyone else is allowed to do it. Ohh...and if someone was to speak ill of my "family" in general......?
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Old 09-28-2006, 03:54 PM  
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I think NGD "regulars" to some degree share the same mentality as a large family with a bunch of kids. It is ok if I fuck with my brother, and occasionally hate his guts, but god be damned if anyone else is allowed to do it. Ohh...and if someone was to speak ill of my "family" in general......?
And therin lies the problem. In a post that I made in the Vetrans forum (specifically knowing that not everyone could see it, as I wanted it presented to a smaller audience than in NGD) I made a constructive argument about NGD. I avoided pointing fingers or calling names, and merely asked if anyone had observed the same things I had seen in NGD (derailing of "serious" posts; the NEED to always be funny, even if the topic wasn't; obsession with pies and sporks) with minimal moderation on those points that were contrary to the TOS that we all agree to.

I admit it was a post born of bitterness at some moderating that had been done against me, but I hadn't seen done within the walls of NGD. But I tried to keep the bitterness to a minimum.

Within that post, a former NGD regular, juliev, came in and stirred shit, called me and Calaglin names, accused us of scheming together to make this post just to stir shit, and all sorts of other bullshit that eventually led to the thread being locked, and then deleted.

A similar, mocking, post was created in NGD, and I was flabbergasted to watch it go on. It went on, for a while, but I refrained from commenting because I knew I was taking it personally, I was hurt, and I would say something I would later regret, and I would likely get that perma-ban that Echgar had threatened me with on more than one occassion. I sent several angry PM's, and one really nasty report on the thread, and eventually it too was removed.

If my post had been taken with a grain of salt instead of personally, as many of the first posters had done before juliev entered the picture, it would have led to a great discussion that probably would have ended up like things here have, with NGD regulars getting more of an understanding of what we see from the outside, and the non-NGD getting a better understanding of what went on in the inside. But instead the wolves came running, and bit me in the ass. I guess I deserved it, but oh well. The deed is done, the posts are gone, and anyone who didn't see them are probably better for not.
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Old 09-28-2006, 04:23 PM  
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And see this is why everyone here can be adults.

You can admit your thread was motivated by a little bitterness, and I'm sure the assmunch who started a thread mocking yours can admit he probably shouldn't have and we all move on.

I've been watching NGD the last few days and it seems to be fairly settled at this point.
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Old 09-28-2006, 04:47 PM  
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I'm sure the assmunch who started a thread mocking yours can admit he probably shouldn't have.
He already did... ;)

And if you munch asses, please don't tell me. Not a pretty picture :smileysad:
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:09 PM  
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He already did... ;)

And if you munch asses, please don't tell me. Not a pretty picture :smileysad:
OMG Radar stop walking into these will ya?!?
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:19 PM  
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I can say with 100% certainty if Savanja thinks I'm wrong, she has no problem telling me privately publicaly. Everyone in NGD is a free thinker to a point. Anyone who knows me, knows I usually go the path of least resistance because I don't enjoy one on one conflict (stop laughing). We have backed each other up in the past, and I can see the semblance of a "wolfpack" mentality, but the idea of a clique is so beyond absurd it's not even funny.
Which definition of clique are we referring to?

This perhaps (Wiki)

(Clique) is an informal and restricted social group formed by people who share common interests (formal social groups are referred to as societies or organizations). They are often subsets of larger social groups.

or this (definethat.com):

To associate together in a clannish way

or mayhap this (encarta):

a close group of friends or coworkers with similar interests and goals, whom outsiders regard as excluding them


And right there you can maybe start to see why NGD is perceived as a clique. Note I use the word perceived.

I like the phrase 'whom outsiders regard as excluding them'. I think that fits here.

My own view is that the behaviour exhibited in the NGD forums can easily have the clique tag assigned. So can many other groups - hardcore raiders or crafters for instance.

Where does this get us, well, tbh I'm bolloxed if I know. From my exposure on these boards (hurr hurr) to posters like Savanja, Nurta ect my views on them as posters have changed (like it actually matters for anything). But, there are still posters on the NGD (and other forums to be fair) that really make me wish for a poster ignore button.

oh, and I still don't think I would feel comfortable in NGD even if it is calming down now. But hey, that might say more about me than the NGD - I don't know that's for sure - never been big on self analysis - might not like what I find.



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Old 09-28-2006, 05:23 PM  
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If my post had been taken with a grain of salt instead of personally, as many of the first posters had done before juliev entered the picture, it would have led to a great discussion that probably would have ended up like things here have, with NGD regulars getting more of an understanding of what we see from the outside, and the non-NGD getting a better understanding of what went on in the inside.
I think the main problem was right there. Even though I found it a bit late, I happened to like that thread (minus all the BS). Problem was after JulieV entered it, it became more of an NGD bash, and less of a discussion of differences.
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:32 PM  
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God damnit I totally missed that thread Ok so there's another thing I missed I really am oblivious. Hell I never even really ventured into the Veteran's Lounge b/c I have NGD, Paladin, and Kithicor forums floated to the top when I log in I rarely go elsewhere. So I never knew all this crap was stewing just as I never knew Khalan was banned until coming here. The upsetting thing is that b/c of where I post the most I was some how labeled. Geez I think I've seen worse things happen on Law and Order where people kill each other over dumber shit than this. I know it's hard to believe but I don't think anyone is out to get anyone or undermine anyone or make them less of a person. I think people react before thinking and assume a whole hell of allot and I think interpretation is 9/10ths the problem with most of this hubbabaloo.

I'm a super confrontational person so much so that when someone pisses me off or even when I fear I've crossed a line I will PM them and say hey what's up or hey I'm sorry. How many of you who got your panties in a twist ever actually approached someone and said hey Coyote hey Radar he Nurta why did you do that do you hate me that much that you have to mock me? Or hey when you do that it truly upset me?

Having said all this I seriously think I could make babies with Pro and forget being gay for the whole 1min it would take to copulate :p and egads I hope I didn't offend you by saying that!
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:38 PM  
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Jesus Nurta, there are limits to human endurance you know. I'm not Superman or anything.

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Old 09-28-2006, 05:45 PM  
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God damnit I totally missed that thread
I believe you actually participated in it. At least I remember at least one post from you. Here's a post with some snippets of the post that I managed to salvage:

http://www.eq2flames.com/showpost.ph...1&postcount=20
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