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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    After all that lieing saying they didn't do it.

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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    When I raided with AB they made it quite clear I could only roll on an item if no one needed.

    When no one needed they went way out of their way to make sure I didnt want before they gave it out as a backup.

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    (1270861997)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:17 2010] Chevette loots \aITEM -1676888102 1602010270:Riana's Relentless Tune VII (Master)\/a from the Exquisite Chest of Vuulan in Lair of the Dragon Queen (163.06, 146.69, 2,500.59).
    (1270862002)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:22 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "\aITEM -155447769 2059189246:Wurmhide Armwraps of the Mound\/a"
    (1270862004)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:24 2010] \aPC -1 Chevette:Chevette\/a says to the raid party, "thanks!"
    (1270862022)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:42 2010] \aPC -1 Neurok:Neurok\/a says to the raid party, "TY all for the invite,"
    (1270862028)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:48 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "\aITEM 331888107 1494115178:Shoulderpads of the Black Death\/a"
    (1270862030)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:50 2010] Random: Nephretiti rolls from 1 to 100 on the magic dice...and scores a 67!
    (1270862032)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:52 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "thanks man"
    (1270862034)[Fri Apr 09 21:13:54 2010] Random: Fazonth rolls from 1 to 100 on the magic dice...and scores a 78!
    (1270862049)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:09 2010] Catinheals has left the raid.
    (1270862049)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:09 2010] Catinheals has left voice channel '<Raid>'.
    (1270862051)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:11 2010] \aPC -1 Horrorbringer:Horrorbringer\/a says to the raid party, "no wisdom"
    (1270862063)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:23 2010] \aPC -1 Axandra:Axandra\/a says to the raid party, "\aITEM 1453931880 -219641898:Wyvernlord Hide Epaulets\/a"
    (1270862074)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:34 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "\aITEM -1650211970 1492386983:Kerra War Shoulderpads\/a"
    (1270862093)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:53 2010] \aPC -1 Slopmop:Slopmop\/a says to the raid party, "can we get a parse"
    (1270862099)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:59 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "Merged(3): (18:42) 75119887 | 66951.77 [Russiansize-Fatal Followup-78109]"
    (1270862099)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:59 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "Cat (378.58dps) | (3105.08hps)23%"
    (1270862099)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:59 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "Faz (959.44dps) | (2816.93hps)21%"
    (1270862099)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:59 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "Hal (110.03dps) | (2144.95hps)16%"
    (1270862099)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:59 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "Say (22.18dps) | (1782.67hps)13%"
    (1270862099)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:59 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "Axa (120.49dps) | (1711.85hps)12%"
    (1270862099)[Fri Apr 09 21:14:59 2010] \aPC -1 Fazonth:Fazonth\/a says to the raid party, "Neu (307.8"
    (1270862137)[Fri Apr 09 21:15:37 2010] Nephretiti loots \aITEM 331888107 1494115178:Shoulderpads of the Black Death\/a from the Exquisite Chest of Vuulan in Lair of the Dragon Queen (163.06, 146.69, 2,500.59).
    (1270862154)[Fri Apr 09 21:15:54 2010] Neurok has left the raid.
    (1270862155)[Fri Apr 09 21:15:55 2010] Neurok has left voice channel '<Raid>'.
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Vuulan: (19:39) | Halucijen-Resurrect-17425"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Cati | 3616.64 | 616 | 13"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Fazo | 2756.13 | 2115 | 38"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Halu | 2565.34 | 1441 | 10"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Saya | 1842.19 | 2112 | 12"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Axan | 1669.02 | 1380 | 17"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Neur | 1074.38 | 920 | 14"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Zari | 250.60 | 0 | 0"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Slop | 90.33 | 16 | 0"
    (1270862160)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:00 2010] \aPC -1 Halucijen:Halucijen\/a says to the raid party, "Quin"
    (1270862171)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:11 2010] \aPC -1 Amedus:Amedus\/a tells Level_80-89 (13), "90 Brigand LFG"
    (1270862175)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:15 2010] Elementra was interrupted!
    (1270862178)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:18 2010] You loot \aITEM -155447769 2059189246:Wurmhide Armwraps of the Mound\/a from the Exquisite Chest of Vuulan in Lair of the Dragon Queen (163.06, 146.69, 2,500.59).
    (1270862178)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:18 2010] Rindle looted the Fabled \aITEM -155447769 2059189246:Wurmhide Armwraps of the Mound\/a.
    (1270862185)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:25 2010] You transmute \aITEM -155447769 2059189246:Wurmhide Armwraps of the Mound\/a and create:
    (1270862185)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:25 2010] \aITEM 1860014804 -2010152675:Infusion of the Void\/a
    (1270862187)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:27 2010] You receive \aITEM 1860014804 -2010152675:Infusion of the Void\/a.
    (1270862188)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:28 2010] Quintley opens Treasure Chest and discovers:
    (1270862188)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:28 2010] \aITEM -1139554932 -2097759228:Staff of Calling\/a
    (1270862199)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:39 2010] You say to the raid party, "Yes."
    (1270862211)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:51 2010] You start a trade with Quintley.
    (1270862216)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:56 2010] You add \aITEM 1860014804 -2010152675: \/a to the trade window.
    (1270862217)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:57 2010] You have accepted the trade.
    (1270862218)[Fri Apr 09 21:16:58 2010] Quintley has accepted the trade.
    (1270862226)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:06 2010] Random: Horrorbringer rolls from 1 to 100 on the magic dice...and scores a 17!
    (1270862228)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:08 2010] Slopmop loots \aITEM -1139554932 -2097759228:Staff of Calling\/a from the Treasure Chest in Lair of the Dragon Queen (163.08, 146.72, 2,501.69).
    (1270862231)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:11 2010] \aPC -1 Horrorbringer:Horrorbringer\/a says to the raid party, "yay rail"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Vuulan: (19:35) | 90611009 | 77116 | [Russiansize-Assassinate-126182]"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Russi | 17507636 | 14900"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Quint | 10349731 | 8808"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Leoji | 10025291 | 8532"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Night | 10000673 | 8511"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Rumor | 8889754 | 7566"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Nemar | 6948953 | 5914"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Slopm | 5276813 | 4491"
    (1270862237)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:17 2010] \aPC -1 Quintley:Quintley\/a says to the raid party, "Eleme | 2700580 |"
    (1270862257)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:37 2010] \aPC -1 Horrorbringer:Horrorbringer\/a says to the raid party, "lmao"
    (1270862266)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:46 2010] \aPC -1 Zebaki:Zebaki\/a tells Level_80-89 (13), "yeah wtb brainwashers leet parses plz"
    (1270862267)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:47 2010] \aPC -1 Horrorbringer:Horrorbringer\/a says to the raid party, "ty for run guys"
    (1270862267)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:47 2010] Quintley has left the raid.
    (1270862268)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:48 2010] Quintley has left voice channel '<Raid>'.
    (1270862275)[Fri Apr 09 21:17:55 2010] \aPC -1 Chevette:Chevette\/a says to the raid party, "thanks for the invite"
    (1270862281)[Fri Apr 09 21:18:01 2010] Axandra has left the raid.
    (1270862281)[Fri Apr 09 21:18:01 2010] Your protection begins to fade.
    (1270862281)[Fri Apr 09 21:18:01 2010] You begin to breathe normally.
    (1270862281)[Fri Apr 09 21:18:01 2010] Your amber aura fades.
    (1270862281)[Fri Apr 09 21:18:01 2010] Your favor of the wild begins to fade.
    (1270862281)[Fri Apr 09 21:18:01 2010] The natural aura fades.
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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    I was on the raid in question and in fact did the muting in question. I have posted the relevant portion of my logs.

    For those of you who are not human parsers, they basically indicate this:

    Vuulan died.
    Wurmhide Armwraps of the Mound dropped. Those armwraps are 61 str, 40 sta, 20 agi. They are leather armor.

    No one rolled.

    Quintley announced the next item of loot, Shoulderpads of the Black Death, which are cloth armor.

    Nephretiti rolled 67.
    Fazonth rolled 78.

    Fazonth intended to roll on the armwraps, not the shoulderpads. Nephretiti looted the shoulderpads, as he was actually uncontested.

    Fazonth is a 90 warden.
    Wardens use Wisdom as their primary stat. Wurmhide Armwraps of the Mound have no wisdom. Due to their high str, they are considered brawler loot.
    The loot rules for the night were that you could only roll for your main, not for alts.

    Because Wurmhide Armwraps of the Mound are not considered an upgrade for healers, they were looted by myself and muted into an Infusion of the Void. The Infusion was then rolled on, and Horrorbringer won it with a 17.

    I do not believe the fact that Fazonth is not in Nothing Personal affected the outcome in any way. I have won many nice items while raiding with Nothing personal, beating out their own members on many occasions. Quintley has even allowed loot that he has been wanting for himself to go to non-guild members.

    While I don’t think Tuor is the complete idiot he is widely held to be, I think in this case he is mistaken. I think Tuor doesn’t follow the convention that certain classes ought to wear certain armor, as his defiler was decked out in a good deal of cloth armor recently. A casual player will grab anything available that is the smallest of upgrades, or possibly even just cool looking. They are not use to raiding guilds who do not subscribe to that method of upgrading.
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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    what kind of fag bag has putrid on their friends?

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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyard View Post
    what kind of fag bag has putrid on their friends?
    can I get a "what, what?"

    Tuor is teh AB Police, fear it!
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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    I'd say "let this be a lesson to you, Tala", but you're too fucking stupid to learn anything tbh. Anyway, you really shouldn't make accusations like this when a.) you have no idea what you're talking about and b.) you have no proof to back it up. All you did was try to ruin the rep of a guild that didn't appear to do anything wrong.

    For the record I like Wardenfury despite his taste in friends, he really is a good healer. While I can see how this MAY be an upgrade (depending on what he has now in the shoulder slot) I think Nothing Personal's loot rules make sense.

    On a side note, they need to curb the brawler loot drop rate. There's usually only one per raid force (at most) and yet it drops like candy. Soon we'll have all sorts of brawler alts farming shinies in full SF gear.
    Make it smaller plz, site rules and all <3

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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rindle View Post
    A casual player will grab anything available that is the smallest of upgrades, or possibly even just cool looking. They are not use to raiding guilds who do not subscribe to that method of upgrading.
    That's pretty fucking retarded and shows you to be a scrub. Barring the bit about appearance, its 100% wrong. A raider should grab anything that's a minor upgrade any chance they get. Especially in this case when no one else wanted it. Sure, if its minor for you and a major upgrade for someone you raid with you should pass. But when its about to muted, only a moron wouldn't take the minor upgrade. Or a casual scrub.

    That being said, I have no opinion on whether this was an upgrade for the warden. For all we know, he had on TSO treasured gear.
    It's only weird if it doesn't work.

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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoss View Post
    That's pretty fucking retarded and shows you to be a scrub. Barring the bit about appearance, its 100% wrong. A raider should grab anything that's a minor upgrade any chance they get. Especially in this case when no one else wanted it. Sure, if its minor for you and a major upgrade for someone you raid with you should pass. But when its about to muted, only a moron wouldn't take the minor upgrade. Or a casual scrub.

    That being said, I have no opinion on whether this was an upgrade for the warden. For all we know, he had on TSO treasured gear.
    Muting an item doesn't destroy it. It turns it into something else usefull. Often the upgrade an adornment provides is greater than the upgrade this would have provided to a healer. I'm willing to bet this was actually a downgrade due to the complete lack of wisdom on the item.
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    Default Re: Nothing Personal AB - PUG Raid Loot Rules.

    And why is that? Is a warden's damage output actually important to your raid? Like does it make or break it for you? Cause I thought wardens were there to heal first, and DPS like 4th.
    It's only weird if it doesn't work.

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