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    Default Crushbone - the fall of THE SIEGE

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    (Mordimus - quoted)
    (Amar - quoted)
    (sorry for the multiple posts I just copied it after they deleted it. hopefully I protected the innocent a little bit but if not, my bad - also condensed some of the redundancies and added margins to reduce confusion)

    ok this is my first post I just dropped all my toons from this fucked up guild and registered here for the first time just to call these fruits out.

    first things first



    ok so I joined The Siege a little over a month ago. They weren't recruiting at the time, I was taken in by a friend. Coming from my previous guild, it was refreshing to see a leader as involved as Nash. He was on every day organizing, taking feedback, tbh more than you could really ask for from anybody with a life. Turns out his old lady played on there w him, so ya know. anyway.

    Maybe he did wanna destroy the guild, maybe he didn't. Either way, he had plenty of help, starting with this total dick sniffer, Mortimus. Mortimus went from bitching and crying because Nash didn't play with him enough, to stirring up a bunch of drama and quitting the guild. Nash didn't handle it well, and within 2 weeks all but 4 or 5 of the active 90s bailed.

    Finally, Nash quits. His old lady tried to help us out a little, but the 10 days we were supposed to have to elect a new leader got cut short bc if he couldn't handle the drama, she sure as hell didn't have to. I don't have the logs so here's from the members only forum, where they delete threads bc they take it too personal, but they shoulda thot of that and maybe answered some questions before it got real ugly:
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    Like the subject line, a final straw has been pulled and I refuse to let people unknowingly suck on it.


    I realize that this is a big change for members of The Siege, alot of us have alot of time invested in this guild, and I believe everyone should have an equal say in what happens to The Siege now that our beloved guild leader was pushed away.


    Thats right I said he was pushed away, and its not just one persons faults, but alot of ours. I take blame in some form or fassion for the issues that have transpired in the recent weeks. I for a while there dedicated all I had to The Siege and even after my untimely self removal from the guild I still helped with ideas and my personal imput. I was not able for a bit towards the end to fullfill my officer duties as they were put down by Nash, thus he had to pick up the slack of not only me, but several of the other officers that by coincidence, were having similar real life issues or in any way able to take care of their in game duties. Some of the officer slots were not even filled! So this put alot of pressure on Nashan.


    He was doing it all, and giving it his all, and doing it so much, that it was making him unhappy not only in game, but in real life, as well as making a certain someone unhappy too, being that her main gripe was that he spent too much time in game, and not with her.


    Now that Nashan has surrendered to those complaints and has decided he is going to focus more on important things like I dunno, his lover, I was happy for him, yes it sucks we lost our guild leader, but hes showing that he will not let anything stand in between him, and happiness in real life. That is admirable and a hard position to be in.


    But, I wish someone could tell me why the hell, after All that Nash has done for the guild in the past, all the work he put into keeping things going, THE MAIN REASON HE QUIT THE FUCKING LEADERSHIP POSITION IS NOW RUNNING FOR THE SAME POSITION SHE HAS BITCHED ABOUT HIM HAVING FOR THE PAST 3 FUCKING MONTHS... And no, it gets better, she realizes shes losing the vote for THAT leadership, and she decides to demote everyone in the guild but her to ENLISTED, people in here that have donated status, after status, done writ, after writ, who have earned what ranks they hold. DEMOTED!!! Because she such a poor loser, shes going to make it certain she wins by just taking it by force.


    Yeah, tahts the guild leader we want Siegers, thats what we really need. Take someone like Chartresse who has 3 years experience, leading a guild, and has been in this guild as long as I have (Mordimus), or hand it to some power hungry, unpredictable person like Amar---- that should be spending all this fucking time with the boyfriend that GAVE IT ALL UP FOR HER!!!!


    I'm removing all of my toons from the Siege now, I was willing to help with anything I could, but I'm not going to watch the Guild I worked for months on fall into the hands of someone who forces a decision that is not hers to make. I would suggest everyone else get the fuck out while you got a chance too. Sense it seems its not our vote afterall, but hers.


    Goodluck Siegers, I adored the time I had with you, but I can't watch teh guild suffer by her hands anymore.


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    Amar----- 11/7/2010 1:30 AM : RE: The Final Straw link
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    Dear Mordimus,


    I appreciate you posting your opinion on the website. However, my private life is my own business, it pertains to Nash and I, no one else.


    Whatever he shared with you in confidence, and he has denied sharing with you what you have just stated, was to be kept in confidence between the two of you. I do not believe for a minute that his intention was for you to share his confidences with the rest of the guild members. But even if this were to be the case, I take offense that you would do this. He is my life partner and you were supposed to be his friend not his snitch. I take offense that you shared with everybody what he may have shared with you in a moment of difficulty and maybe even heartache. Airing his dirty laundry like this is not appropriate and it is my opinion that you owe him an apology for doing it.


    At this point of my reply to you, I would ask that you please respect our privacy.


    As far as removing officer postions, I deeply apologize to those people who were still in the guild as their main character. It was probably a mistake and I own this. I am not a guild leader nor do I presume to be one. When people left, they did not leave instructions on how to run the place. For offense given by me to the guild members I offer my sincerest apologies. My intentions were not to offend.


    The reasons for my decision were not because I'm losing. Mordimus, you do not know what my reasons were and I take offense that you would presume to know my thoughts. You do not.


    My main motivation to ask for the guild on a temporary basis, was because I was hoping that Nash, once he had some time away from the guild, would reconsider his decision, and simply have me hand the guild back to him. I did not want him to change his mind only to find it was too late because the guild was in someone else's hands. Unfortunately this was wishful thinking on my part, he has assured me that this is not going to happen and that he will not return to the guild.


    My reasoning for the officer changes was that most officer positions were held by alts, the main toons were gone. Loyalty to the guild was for the main characters to remain and hold their positions as they originally agreed to, or to at least, give notice that they were leaving. Doing so would have given Nash a chance to re-organize. Disappearing without a word and dumping all the work on Nash's shoulders is not loyalty.


    I also did, what I thought was fair to the people who remained with their main toons in the guild hall and who did not hold officer positions. It was an attempt to give other people the opportunity at officership. I don't think its fair for a guild to be run by alts when there are main characters who can do the job, and only need to be given a chance.


    As you stated yourself, Nash has had a hell of a time leading this guild. He has basically run this guild by himself, doing most, if not all, the work. This reality has limited the time he spent not only with me but with the rest of his family, including his daughter, and his real life friends. Plus, he has not been able to play at all for the last three months. Basically he has been paying a monthly subscription to be a house-keeper in his own guild.


    I will not engage in a battle with you or anybody else. I will not resort to insulting people nor talking behind their backs. This is one the reasons why Nash was fed up. The drama was more than he could put up with, I think in his place anybody would have had the same reaction. This is a game, its meant to be fun.


    If Chartresse is qualified to run the guild and the guild decides she is to be the new leader, then as Nash stated in his mail, he will hand the guild over to her at the end of ten days.


    You need to remember Mordimus, that this is still Nash's guild. The Siege belongs to Nash, not me, not you and not anybody else, it belongs only to Nash. So with all due respect, take a step back, cool it and wait to see what happens at the end of these ten days.


    Thank you for your time and have a great day.


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    Mordimus Caine 11/7/2010 1:29 AM : RE: The Final Straw link
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    Amar----- said:
    Dear Mordimus,

    I appreciate you posting your opinion on the website....
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    Airing his dirty laundry like this is not appropriate and it is my opinion that you owe him an apology for doing it.
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    Don't take me for being stupid Amarhanth, all the information I put in my post came from personal observation, and I'm not the only one who has noticed it, for alot of the time you raged was in groups that multiple people witnessed, its not just me.
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    At this point of my reply to you, I would ask that you please respect our privacy....
    ... My intentions were not to offend.

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    I didn't even bring this up, and yeah it was another one of your grand decisions. You didn't just demote alts, you demoted alot of the officers that were still keepin on doing what they were assigned to do. Elvok for one, Fest---- another, last time I checked they were mains, and it did offend alot of them, because instead of doing it the PROPER way and confronting them and saying, hey, things are getting kind of stagnant in here, going to demote you and THIS is why. You didn't even give them a fuck you for their time, just demoted them. NOt how a leader acts.
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    The reasons for my decision were not because I'm losing. Mordimus, you do not know what my reasons were and I take offense that you would presume to know my thoughts. You do not.
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    The reasons should be brought foward in public view then, because as you said it is NASH's guild, and thats the way he would want it. A public opinion, why do you think he wants people to vote in the first place, he wants someone people can follow. I sure the hell don't want the position, but I sure didn't want to see what I saw today happen either.
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    My main motivation to ask for the guild on a temporary basis...
    ... he has assured me that this is not going to happen and that he will not return to the guild.

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    Again, stop trying to play Mrs. Innocent, who in their right mind is going to run for leadership of a guild, taht you just said yourself, they will only run "temporarily", why even try? Don't use that damn excuse about waiting for Nash to come back, he wasn't going to come back because YOU didn't want him to lead the damn thing in the first place, and he cares more about YOU than anything, and thats common knowledge. So stop playing Mrs. Innocent when your exposed.
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    My reasoning for the officer changes...
    ... dumping all the work on Nash's shoulders is not loyalty.

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    See my above post, not all the officers were mains, and again, I didn't even bring this little gem up in my original post, so you must feel a tad guilty about it.
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    I also did, what I thought was fair ...
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    subscription to be a house-keeper in his own guild.
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    Now your airing his dirty laundry too, didn't even go into THAT much detail, nor did I care too. I already stated I was happy he made the decision and I left it at that. So don't be a hypocrite and bitch at me for something your going to turn around and do (in more detail at that) a couple paragraphs down.
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    I will not engage in a battle with you or anybody else....
    ...This is a game, its meant to be fun.

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    I know the drama was more than he could put up with, I was always there to calm him down and help him think clearly. Trying to disprove my statements with this "I'm so innocent" bullshit basically made you engage in this battle.
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    If Chartresse is qualified to run the guild and the guild decides she is to be the new leader, then as Nash stated in his mail, he will hand the guild over to her at the end of ten days.
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    Do I think shes qualified? Yes, I do! Do I want her to run it? Not sure!, but when I look at everyone who is being nominated, shes the only one who has the patience, and experience to fit the role! So my wishes go to her!
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    You need to remember Mordimus,...
    ... at the end of these ten days.

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    Oh really? Thats why EVERYONE accept O-----!!! At this time of post, is enlisted. Really? Its still Nash's guild but you have yourself appointed as leader and everyone else can't even send out a guild mail? THATS what I was talking about, not the other officer crap. But the fact you go in and demote EVERYONE!!!! What gives YOU the fucking right to demote everyone down to enlisted that earned their ranks WHEN IT IS NASH'S GUILD?? Your a bold face fucking liar when called out into public, I've known you and Nash too long for this shit to work on me. You forget I've been there for both of you through most of the bullshit thats happened. If it is truely still Nashs guild, then I want to see either Seraphin, Slourp, Nashan, or any of his otehr toons right now, just 1 not even a main, As guild leader, and YOU need to get back in your fucking place, and out of the general spot, because right now, I don't see Nash, all I see is YOU, and i'm quite sick of it.
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    Thank you for your time and have a great day.

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    Amar----- 11/7/2010 2:12 AM : RE: The Final Straw link
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    I've always wanted to be queen!


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    Dethwysh69 11/7/2010 2:23 AM : RE: The Final Straw link

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    A---- said:
    Dear Mordimus,

    My main motivation to ask for the guild on a temporary basis...


    This is a game, its meant to be fun.

    -Amar



    Amar, I applaud your self restraint. your reply seems to verify what I had assumed from what little I could gather from hearsay in-game. I appreciate your gracious handling of this fiasco, as many people in your position would have left us all to rot. I think people need to realize that you're just stepping in to salvage the situation the best you can, so I for one, thank you.

    to be honest, I had wondered how someone as involved as Nash even had a life outside of game. when I found out you were in the guild it made a little more sense, but frankly I knew noone could put that much time into a game and sustain a real life. It's good that he's taking a much deserved, and probably needed break. I hope that from a distance he can see just how much LESS he needed to do in order to have a successful guild.


    ok, that's all I have to say about that situation, I hope I haven't offended either of you with my frank observations.


    that being said:


    Mordimus Caine said:

    But, I wish someone could tell me why the hell, after All that Nash has done for the guild in the past...


    ... I would suggest everyone else get the fuck out while you got a chance too. Sense it seems its not our vote afterall, but hers.

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    wow Mordimus... what a jealous, crybaby drama-queen you turned out to be. anybody can see that you feel some kind of competition with M---- over Nash. That's gay dude. instead of stepping up to the plate and handling business, you emo-raged and quit. Now, you turn around with this bullshit story. when you should have been apologizing and possibly asking forgiveness for a temporary lapse of integrity, you wasted your last shred of credibility on a poorly thought-out deflection. a slanderous diatribe against the most important person in the life of your so-called "beloved leader". "get out while we got a chance"?... that's very telling.

    It's a shame that Nash surrounded himself with people he ultimately couldn't trust. If his officers weren't gathered around like ducklings waiting on his every move, he could have had a little more time to himself and what was important to him. This whole thing could have been avoided. I don't think all of his officers were quitters, obviously no one should be expected to put up with the kind of juvenile back-biting that EVERYONE KNOWS has been going on. and if there was ever a doubt as to who started it, well I guess we should thank you for clearing that up. he who smelt it, dealt it - and you were the first one out. Despite your most short-sighted and self absorbed efforts, The Siege continues.


    you try anything embarrassing like this again, and I will take you to flames and RaR you back to single player games, you fruit.

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    M-----, you've got my vote. maybe we can get a couple of the more dependable people, who ultimately left due to frustration, to come help rebuild. In the meantime, myself and a couple special guildies I know will do what we can to help. If worse comes to worse, and Nash resigns for good, I'll throw my weight behind whoever takes over. No matter what, I hope we all take a lesson from this. Loyalty and pride go hand in hand.
    yeah, it's just a game - but nobody plays to lose.
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    so where were we?

    Oh yeah - turns out this Chartresse asshole is Mordimus' roommate. her highest level toon at the time of this post is a lvl 83 conj. After the above exchange in the forum, The cool chick gave up and handed the leader position to Chartresse. If cool chick wasn't sure what she was doing, Chartresse really knew how to fuck things up.

    When all the crafting tables disappeared, everybody was locked from using any amenities, and she was nowhere to be found, thats when I started asking questions. Up to this point I tried to stay out of it - even though I cared about the guild, I was relatively new. Her little jackass noob friends all jump down my throat and start mob nerdraging off the bat, so a couple more sensible ppl take me to tells. Turns out nobody knows whats going on, we're all supposed to wait 4 days for a meeting. So the only thing this dumb bitch did in 4 days running the guild was schedule a meeting a week away.

    Finally she logs in and we go to voice. Everything was starting to look like a big misunderstanding. I apologized for doubting her, then the lies start becoming more apparent. she tells us this lame story about Amar--- hacking Nash's account and fucking everything up. While it's true Amar did demote everybody, it was Chart's fault nobody could use anything. just getting her to turn access back on was like pulling teeth. After about an hour of her BSing us and the lies becoming more apparent, I put it to her plainly - if you don't have time to handle what needs to be done, at least appoint some people who can while ur not here. Now she's mad, she just starts yelling at me about the tables missing and I said everybody I knew from the guild was missing. All the people I was running with every day were gone, and now she was the guild leader and I'd never met her before, so I DON'T CARE about the tables.

    thats when she kicked me.

    She made Mordimus an officer today- no surprise. Everybody with a shred of reason has now left the guild. The leader, Chartresse is a noob, a bitch, and above all, a liar. She has no idea whats she's doing, she's just happy as fuck because she stole a T3 guild hall. Mordimus gives triflin punk retards who trade sexual favors for protection from martians a bad name. You're idiots, you deserve eachother, but you don't deserve that guild hall. you politicized a fucking game more than I could have ever imagined. You can say it's just a game all you want, but it takes a couple of sick fucks to mess with peoples' heads and cheat like you did. srsly - go back to WoW:39:

    The story of downfall of The Siege has been told. Thanks for reading.


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    This better be worth the read. I read the first two posts and got bored.

    Edit: It wasn't.

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    Default Re: Crushbone - the fall of THE SIEGE

    How is this any different from any other guild falling apart? Seems pretty typical to me.

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    All I really got out of that was that dethwysh has manlove for nash. I couldn't really tell if they had taken it to the physical level yet.
    It's only weird if it doesn't work.

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    Default Re: Crushbone - the fall of THE SIEGE

    ehh not reall worth the time to read it all. and i'm pretty tolerant

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    /agree

    But I will give him props for putting some effort into it. Just not interesting unless some of the players involved show up to protect their good names.
    It's only weird if it doesn't work.

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    tl;dr version: one guy quits, passes the guild over to his irl significant other while the guild votes on a new guild leader, they vote in some complete tard, stops logging in while lots of shit in the guild hall is gone/not working, at meeting that new leader scheduled 4 days later OP gets mad, gets kicked, over the next few days everyone except the new leader's roommate leaves the guild because the new leader is a tard.

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    There is a guild on Crushbone called The Siege?

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    I just brought it here bc they were doing everything they could to deny what was going on, censoring the forums and such. I just wanted to publish the story so there was some record of how good it was doing, and how it went to suck so bad. I didn't want to summon any more skeletons than I had to to get my point across, but that's probably why none of them are going to reply.

    I levelled in a shitty guild, then found The Siege. It was pretty awesome when Nash was running it. I didn't say I liked him, just his work in-game - any perceived man-love is purely projection.

    Sorry it's boring, I was hoping the extra pics would help.
    Speaking of which, maybe it just needs more to entice a reply from Mordimus.


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    grossss

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