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    I'd like to call out the guild Bane on Crushbone for their apparant lack of respect to the non-LGBT community. As someone looking for a guild, I have been using the in game guild search tool to browse the different options on Crushbone. I was shocked to see a recruitment message by the Bane "authorized" recruiter Hilda that stated "Breeders not need apply"

    As another member of the LGBT community, very proud and secure of my sexuality, I find it extremely offensive that the largest guild on Crushbone bans potential new guild mates from joining because of their sexual orientation ( in this case, being straight ).

    I feel that Bane has a responsiblity to represent the LGBT community in a way that is inclusive of all type of people. We in the LGBT community are constantly wanting the approval of our straight counterparts, and by telling those people that they are not welcome in our "circle" is counter-productive.

    I call for an entire boycott of Bane & their guild mates until they can resolove their apparant discrimination towards the straight community. The LGBT & straight communities need to work on an alliance of working together, not seperate, and clearly Bane and their leadership allow this type of hate speech to be used for the public to see.

    Surely if a guild had a recruitment message that said "No Faggots allowed", that guild would quite possibly receieve some negative attention from the LGBT community and the GMs in game. The sides need to be equal and this is what I am proposing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alejate View Post
    I'd like to call out the guild Bane on Crushbone for their apparant lack of respect to the non-LGBT community. As someone looking for a guild, I have been using the in game guild search tool to browse the different options on Crushbone. I was shocked to see a recruitment message by the Bane "authorized" recruiter Hilda that stated "Breeders not need apply"

    As another member of the LGBT community, very proud and secure of my sexuality, I find it extremely offensive that the largest guild on Crushbone bans potential new guild mates from joining because of their sexual orientation ( in this case, being straight ).

    I feel that Bane has a responsiblity to represent the LGBT community in a way that is inclusive of all type of people. We in the LGBT community are constantly wanting the approval of our straight counterparts, and by telling those people that they are not welcome in our "circle" is counter-productive.

    I call for an entire boycott of Bane & their guild mates until they can resolove their apparant discrimination towards the straight community. The LGBT & straight communities need to work on an alliance of working together, not seperate, and clearly Bane and their leadership allow this type of hate speech to be used for the public to see.

    Surely if a guild had a recruitment message that said "No Faggots allowed", that guild would quite possibly receieve some negative attention from the LGBT community and the GMs in game. The sides need to be equal and this is what I am proposing.

    Thanks!
    Looks like someone was a little butthurt that their ploy to get some bicurious action was turned down. Who the fuck cares....well some might....I sure as hell dont....so why did I post? /sigh

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    Pretty sure I said I was gay in the post "as a member of the LGBT community". No bi-curious here!

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    Default Re: Bane on Crushbone - Discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Alejate View Post
    As another member of the LGBT community, very proud and secure of my sexuality, I find it extremely offensive that the largest guild on Crushbone bans potential new guild mates from joining because of their sexual orientation ( in this case, being straight ).
    1. Screenshots or it didn't happen.

    2. OP is gay (I know you said as much, but its no less obligatory)

    3. I'm shocked the largest guild in CB is gay only.
    It's only weird if it doesn't work.

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    Default Re: Bane on Crushbone - Discrimination

    here is a screen shot. Looks like this guy Hilda changes his recruitment messages. It's slightly different each time. Now instead of saying Breeders need not apply, it says what you see in the sreen shot

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    Default Re: Bane on Crushbone - Discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoss View Post
    3. I'm shocked the largest guild in CB is gay only.

    And has been for some time now . . .

    They have some pretty nasty messages on their recruitment at time, and they have always had something to the effect of straight people gtfo.

    Although, they did have a funny tag line for a while, something like: "I'm a smooth talking lesbian that can slide you into the guild the right way"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alejate View Post
    I'd like to call out the guild Bane on Crushbone for their apparant lack of respect to the non-LGBT community. As someone looking for a guild, I have been using the in game guild search tool to browse the different options on Crushbone. I was shocked to see a recruitment message by the Bane "authorized" recruiter Hilda that stated "Breeders not need apply"

    As another member of the LGBT community, very proud and secure of my sexuality, I find it extremely offensive that the largest guild on Crushbone bans potential new guild mates from joining because of their sexual orientation ( in this case, being straight ).

    I feel that Bane has a responsiblity to represent the LGBT community in a way that is inclusive of all type of people. We in the LGBT community are constantly wanting the approval of our straight counterparts, and by telling those people that they are not welcome in our "circle" is counter-productive.

    I call for an entire boycott of Bane & their guild mates until they can resolove their apparant discrimination towards the straight community. The LGBT & straight communities need to work on an alliance of working together, not seperate, and clearly Bane and their leadership allow this type of hate speech to be used for the public to see.

    Surely if a guild had a recruitment message that said "No Faggots allowed", that guild would quite possibly receieve some negative attention from the LGBT community and the GMs in game. The sides need to be equal and this is what I am proposing.

    Thanks!
    I gave Bane a heads-up on this, so while we're waiting for an officer or someone to give the guild's official response:

    I have two questions for you: Did you talk to Hilda, or any of the other recruiters, about the "No Breeders" thing? Also, have you joined the guild and met some of the members?

    Things may have changed since I last logged on, but I'm certain there are straight people in Bane (if they are still playing EQ2). We've never turned away a member because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. I think the only things that get people turned away or removed is hate speech in guild chat or level chat, harassment, and maybe being a minor who isn't playing with the supervision of an adult that is online with them. (Bane folks, correct me if I am wrong.)

    I have to admit my first reaction at seeing someone calling for a boycott of Bane gets me pissed off and makes me wonder if you even bothered to talk to anyone or join to see what we're like. Bane is a safe haven for people who get really sick of all the "fag" and "homo" comments, jokes, and slurs that are common in almost every other guild in the game - regardless of whether those words were directed at or applicable to that person. Bane is not going to let in someone who has the attitude of "LAWL Im gonna join teh fag guild n call em fags! LOL" Honestly, there are probably a number of people in Bane that are so sick and tired of dealing with that shit that they refuse to put up with it any longer and are fed up with the typical MMO community they find themselves in. While inclusiveness is a great goal, Bane is first and foremost a safe zone, and sometimes that fosters more protectionism than anything else.

    When people join, they aren't asked whether they are LGBTQA or any combination of those letters. Applicants just made aware the guild is made up mostly of people like that, and leadership expects all of their members to be respectful.

    I worry that maybe you saw Hilda's message and mistook silliness for seriousness. From what I remember, Hilda's sense of humor is a little strange at first. Kind of snarky, etc.
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    but it looks like I was ok with the whole thing as long as I got to hold my bunny and pick flowers.

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    @Mordenkainaen

    So what you are really saying is that it isn't okay for the straight community to bash the gays, but it is okay for the gays to bash the straights by calling them breeders? Your post made absolutely no sense, but instead made you look silly. How can you defend Bane by saying it is okay for this type of language?

    Why would I speak to Hilda to ask what he/she meant by calling the straight community "breeders"? It's pretty damn obvious what that means!! If someone had a guild recruitment message that said "no fags" would you send that recruitment officer a tell and ask what they meant by that? Would you blow off that comment as the person being "snarky"? Absolutely not! Obviously what is put in public represents your entire guild and by you trying to defend it makes my idea of a boycott even stronger.

    To answer your question if I joined the guild? No I did not. After seeing that message it became very clear that Bane isn't about community, but instead about bashing. That isn't the type of guild i'd prefer to join, or even give a chance to offer an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alejate View Post
    So what you are really saying is that it isn't okay for the straight community to bash the gays, but it is okay for the gays to bash the straights by calling them breeders? You post made absolutely no sense, but instead make you look silly. How can you defend Bane by saying it is okay for this type of language?

    Why would I speak to Hilda to ask what he meant by calling the straight community "breeders"? If someone had a guild recruitment message that said "no fags" would you send that recruitment officer a tell and ask what they mean by that? Would you blow off that comment as the person being "snarky"? Absolutely not! Obviously what is put in public represents your entire guild and by you trying to defend it makes my idea of a boycott even stronger.
    What I'm saying is, Bane exists as a tolerant guild to be in. Its whole existence is basically predicated on inclusiveness and safety. Knowing this, and from my own experience in the guild, I find it hard to believe there is any bashing going on and I again go back to my statement that I think there is some kind of misunderstanding going on based on poor choice of words in an attempt at humor. It is untrue that Bane does not allow straight people to join. When I was still playing, there were straight people in Bane.

    I asked if you had talked to Hilda or any other recruiters because I wanted to know if you had discussed your concerns with any of them, or went directly here. Thats all.
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    but it looks like I was ok with the whole thing as long as I got to hold my bunny and pick flowers.

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    I wouldn't consider a guild that you call "inclusive" putting messages that are deragatory towards other sexual orientations. That is the entire purpose of my post. Bane is discriminatory based on the recruitment post of Hilda. Nothing more - nothing less.

    Joke or not, it isn't cool and spreads the wrong message about our community. The LGBT community needs to be known as an entity that is ALL inclusive and doesn't bash others or call them offensive names. This is about setting the right image for the LGBT community. Bane clearly needs to take a lesson from the library of political correctness.

    I am going to say it now, if anyone else from Bane tries to defend calling straight people "Breeders", don't post. You are speaking for the entire LGBT community on a public forum and that is reprehensible.

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