Henladar Bloodheart

Since apparently you dont understand englsih too well ill seperate it for you to better understand.

"How a guild did compared to others by killing mobs in an overall point of view."

My first sentence.. pretty self explanitory and decent English last time i checked. Maybe not the best grammer but only retards would not gather the message.. course im explaining this talking to you...

It states my criterion as how a guild does compared to others... which is a preunderstood criterion seeing it is how you should rank a guild WW.. not bull out of context shit like you like to do.

"OMG ITS CRITERION!"

My second sentence... my bad i forgot the ' between the T and S in ITS.

"Doing better then a guild overall makes them a better guild WW"

Self explanitory once again.. doing better then a guild overall makes them better WW... how did you not gather that?

"its a simple as that and should be understood yet you like to play games and take shit out of context"

Once again pretty understandable... are you just an idiot?

People rate by whos better then others in an overall point of view or at least they should. Not all people like to take shit out of context like you.



If SD Disso and NPU were on the same server would SD get all the server firsts?

If you arnt scared then what is your true reason for staying anon?

Still avoiding it my friend... why are you so scared to answer these simple questions?


Anyways im going to sleep.. long day ahead of me. When i wake up im expecting you to have STILL not answered these questions because you are too scared to do it.

Oopo

I skipped the last page but I'm sure I didn't miss out on anything. I think it's safe to say the Henladar is way more obsessed with Venekor than Venekor is with Aftermath. Please Henladar, shut the fuck up already. Venekor gave his opinion and you disagree with it. We fucking get it already.

1. SD
2. NPU
3. Disso
4. EC
5. Aftermath

Based on where I think the guilds rank currently. Personally think NPU and Disso are equal but I rank NPU ahead since we were beat on matron and chel'drak.

Exill

In order to compete on a world wide level you have to first dominate the competition at the server level.

How can you try to compete on a world wide level when you are still working to compete on the server level? If you are not consistently getting the server firsts on the "big encounters" and consistently getting the majority of the server’s contested mobs: how can you even start to try and compare yourself on a world wide scale?

Also from reading a few people's "rankings" I came up with some interesting thoughts. Most people so far in this thread are ranking in two different ways:
1) What guilds in what order have killed the current hardest encounter in the game to date.
2) Best guild in the "history" of eq2

Now in regards to #2: First, how can a guild be the "best guild world wide" if they no longer exist? Maybe if the question was phrased who WAS the best guild, but not who IS. Second, why are people weighting the "past" of the game significantly more then the "present" of the game? Sure Ardent Legion may have been one of the first big emerging world wide competing guilds but they have killed far fewer encounters and the guild itself lasted way shorter then many of the guilds who are still around from the T5 days who are still actively competing all the way up until EoF so far. 5 years down the road will people still say Ardent Legion is the best guild world wide? Probably not, in fact there will most likely be few people who even remember them.

My personal opinion on a "world wide" ranking system would be a guild that is currently active and currently competitive on the world wide level. After that it’s all a matter of "accomplishments of all time" vs. "accomplishments of the tier (or expansion)".

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Exill

Like I said in my previous post: In order to compete on a world wide level you have to first dominate the competition at the server level.

No, Second Dawn would probably not get all the server firsts. But neither would NPU and neither would Dissolution. It would be close, tough, competition and in the event that all three guilds were equal (or close to it) then it would be hard for any one of the three guilds to dominate the server.

This would mean the gear from the Matron, Hurricanus, Princes, Mutagenic Outcast, and all other important contested for all future expansions would be split among the three guilds rather then all the gear going to one guild. This is a significant disadvantage for these three guilds when comparing them to another greatly skilled guild who dominates their server.

The skill would be there, but the gear would not.

If "end game" bosses were actually hard enough to require this gear to win then the three guilds in question would most likely be lower on the "world wide" rankings, especially compared to a similar guild who dominates their server for the reason stated above.

Now, let’s assume the bosses did not require gearing up in order to beat and they were all about the skill of the players. Assuming SD, NPU, and Disso are all equally skilled and on the same server: compare them to the common benchmark of "The Matron" which a lot of people love to use. Out of the first 3 Matron kills on the server, each SD, NPU, and Dissolution would get 1 kill. Another guild, on a server which they dominate could then easily claim that since they have killed the Matron 3 times and SD, NPU, Disso have only killed it 1 time each that they should obviously be ranked higher world wide.

This is the exact reason that big raiding guilds switch servers to avoid competing with other big raiding guilds. It has happened many times before and will probably happen many more times again. It is just too hard to try to compete on a world wide level when you are not dominating on the server level. Compare this to a sport: you have to win state before you can compete for nationals. If you are still competing for state how can you even begin to try and compete for nationals?



PS: There is your answer, now shut the fuck up.

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Henladar Bloodheart

All this just to get me to STFU. Im so happy.

All i was doing with that question why trying to prove something. Which to be honest Exill got most of what i was trying to do in his post.

Ya I'll admit i got out of hand but hey... whatever.

Victicus

Thats bullshit, you can kill every encounter in KoS and TFD in relic gear.

Server and Worldwide comeptition are two completely different and separate spheres. If you had any guild worth a damn on your server you'd be singing a different tune.

Guild A serverfirsts and WW1st Tarinax. Guild B gets it the next week for a server second and WW 2nd. Guild B obviously doesnt compete on a WW level right?

Until you play on a server where you have two or more guilds that can kill every contested on the first pull within 5 mins of it popping you need to take your own advice and shut the fuck up.

ibeo

i see alot of number 1 votes for second dawn...if 1 ww 1st makes a guild number 1 overall more power to em

Darktizzle

I would say it contributes. But when its beaten in the same week, its not as big of a deal as say, DMP in t6. Or other mobs, in KOS. If they can be beaten by one guild multiple times before anyone else kills them, thats saying something.

Khalan

I think it's just a flavour of the month thing Ibeo, SD got the last big WW 1st so people are singing their tune, give it a month into KoS and when some other guild gets a big WW 1st they will be the "best".

Happens in every tier.

I will say however, NPU has probably been the most consistent top guild, considering they even existed in T5 and got WW 1st there. Not to say SD didn't do a lot back then, but I don't think they had quite the drive and determination they have now.

Now NPU has been known in the past for mad sploits, but I won't condemn the current members for the shit that Poac used to pull.

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Petgroup

I'm still missing relic gloves to this day and I'm over 90% raid attendance. How many guilds have actually killed Matron wearing only relic? None.

And to be more of an ass, no one has beaten the Nightblood in HoS , so by all means beat that with relic and let us know how that goes.

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