Veeshan's Peak - WTF - Page 8

Jaraxx · 12-11-2007, 03:18 AM

I have 1 coercer 2 guardians 2 templars 1 defiler 3 dirges 1 swash in my raid. So it doesn't really effect me that much. However - we've had an inactive priest this entire time since launch. We've been lucky to get 5 fucking healers on these raids. If we can do this shit with the small roster in the game I don't see why others couldn't work with it.

Hell fucking yes bring the double attack - Want to know how much my repair bill this past vp run (past 2 days). 6 plat+ my ot was 4 Plat - everyone else less then 70g. I was dieing almost every fight because we only had 4 priests for most of the zone.

Jaraxx · 12-11-2007, 03:20 AM

Conclusion: After my priests stop going inactive and I have 6 solid on every raid. I don't think I'll be dieing all that much.

Phrozen · 12-11-2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Did you forget warded/crush?

Opps yeah I did

Jaraxx · 12-11-2007, 03:31 AM

I wanted to add on a few things.

First - I think that if you don't have a guardian as a main tank that could pose a ton of problems in Veeshans peak. However if you have a guardian MT you have so many saves it's not even funny.

Second - This also gives more fighters a purpose in the raid. If tank goes down - keep the next one up.

Third - Fighters intercede serves more of a purpose now then ever.

Fourth - Since the mobs hit so slow and spikey it's actually easier to keep the new tank up after your first one died. Since the mobs hits are so spikey. When I put my fighter with just a warden in a group (if that) - he's able to stay alive usually for a good 5-10 seconds (giving me time to get back up and establish agro).

If your guardian dies - Everyone stops attacking, New tank rescues - it goes on the new tank. Rez your guardian - have him hit tower of stone, coercers/dirge hit agro snap or magnetic note - then amnesia. Wala tank is back and GTG. Helps if you have two guards - but not necessary.

Phrozen · 12-11-2007, 03:35 AM

Monk seems to work better than a 2nd guard. Peel + Tsunami.

Phuket · 12-11-2007, 03:52 AM

it is really confusing that a lot of raids are currently in VP or they cleared it a month l8er since addon release. and in my opinion the addon is to "easy". but why is t8 raiding so easy ?

the persistent zone technology is a MUST HAVE for a modern mmorpg and has nothing to do with "raiding is too easy".

it is simply the amount of raid content in rok with a lot of "gear" issues.

a lot of guilds were farming t7 eof raid instances and those who did not farmed them can do it now, because with lvl 80 raiding/farming them is very very easy. you can inform yourself about all eof tactics via internet so this should be no problem anymore for everyone to get yourself geared up with excellent armor/loot if you done that you are ub0r upgraded for the first t8 raids, and it should be no problem to kill tier1 fast. and further you dont really need the tier1 loot to clear tier2/tier3 or to get to VP. Eof raid gear is really ok for that. There will be some "nice" little bit upgrades until you get to VP but you really dont need them.

so in my opinion it's all about the loot ! and EoF raid instance loot is too overpowered compared to what RoK epics are doing (e.g. dmg on maintank wich has complete eof class armor).

if the eof class armor would be not enough to clear tier1/tier2/tier3 and if there would be tier1/tier2 drops wich were ub0r upgrades compared to eof stuff ... THEN it would take longer to get through rok or e.g. to get to VP. if you first would need some tier1/tier2 armor upgrades (e.g. for the maintank) to be able to kill tier2/tier3 epics THEN some raids would first be forced to farm these zones a little bit.

but would that make sense ? NO, because there is not enough tier1/tier2 raid content. it could be very boring to be forced to farm tier1 zones because they are too small.

finally ...
if eof class set wouldn't be enough for ROK-Raids and if more and bigger tier1 zones would exsist ... then it would take LONGER to get to VP. it's just a loot and content problem with rok.

Vizion · 12-11-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen

Really though, most mob's melee rarely hits, but when it does, it's a some retardly high double attack.

Our silverwing kill:

18 hits in an 18:47 fight, 14 of them double attacks, I'd prefer more attacks to actually hit, I can't remember a time when my reactives where used before the timer ran out, I was just sitting there praying the tank would survive the double attack then spam heal. Really aint "skillful" in anyway.

Couldn't agree more with Huxley here, all spike hits like this give to an encounter is luck, IMO the fights are tougher when the mob is hitting faster and more consistently. 18 hits in a 18 minute fight? rofl. . . come on. Sure your tanks die more often on trash, but this is why the expansion was cleared so quickly if you ask me.

Getting tired of my reactives dropping too

Phrozen · 12-11-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vizion

18 hits in a 18 minute fight?

That was me being a noob (don't use ACT alot) and not taking into account the warded/crush, although in total Silverwings hit ratio on "All" outgoing melee was 34.7% according to my parse. And none of the warded/crush damage was over 9,7k. So 14 spikes in an 18:47 fight and the rest of the time the tank is 95%+ HP with some small blips down to 70% or so.

Fomka · 12-11-2007, 07:44 AM

so which fights are harder - the ones where your healers always have to heal or the ones where everyone is praying for tank not being one shotted?

Phrozen · 12-11-2007, 07:47 AM

Putting up your proactive heals then hoping the tank isn't one-shotted of course! /sarcasm off