Conqueror_Beld

I'd just have ACT play Queen's "We are the Champions" when the encounter ended. It would probably wake me up before the timer on the chest expired...maybe

Githil

I'm sorry, but if you are fighting the spider bitch with out cacoons you are exploiting.

crayme

OMG are you a GM or a Dev? Didn't think so, but had to make sure. Your ASSumption is a critical FAIL.

Following is a petition I filed a while back regarding this very issue, to ensure that doing this was not an exploit.

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03/14/2008 10:18 AM This zones named, Tairiza the Widow Mistress is a scripted mob that during the course of the fight normally casts cocoons randomly on players. However, there appear to be a way to position her so that she does not cast her cocoons, which does make it quite a bit less difficult than when she is casting the cocoons.

It has come to my understanding that alot of guilds try to position her to give the best chance at not getting the cocoons.

I would like to know if doing this is considered an exploit. It seems to be common knowledge. I would like to know if this is intended that players can, with proper planning/strategy can make this fight a bit more manageable or if this is an outright exploit, which neither myself nor my guild want to be involved with.

Thank you for your attention.

Stonewahl
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The RESPONSE:

Response (GM Bllaaze) 03/15/2008 03:03 PM Greetings Stonewahl!

My name is GM Bllaaze and I am responding to the ticket you have submitted about Tairiza the Widow Mistress and player's positioning this NPC to avoid cocoon traps.

I have asked my colleagues and it does not appear to be an exploit when a player can position the NPC a certain way for this purpose as long as there is still a fait fight and the risk vs rewards are still effective.

Please never hesitate to contact us again with any other matter you may encounter in your adventures for which we may be of assistance.

Thank you for playing Everquest 2.

Safe Travels in and out of Norrath,

GM Bllaaze
Everquest II
Sony Online Entertainment

So, unless you overrule the GM's, this is a valid tactic.

Slippery

GM's know dick all about anything.

Githil

I'm sorry, but are you really that stupid. An "Exploit" is anything players do that change the way the "scripted" encounter is suppose to work. Positioning a mob to prevent something from happening is changing the way the script is suppose to work. And like the previous poster, GM's don't know shit about this game. I would take what they say with a grain of salt. He probably asked his other GM friends about it and didn't even think to ask, omg, a Developer.

crayme

Omg, but are you really that stupid?

I am willing to bet that the GM's know a fuck load more about what the Developers consider to be an exploit, than you or any 'player' here does.

There is no hacking or bugging the script involved. So, if by facing a mob a particular direction, either N, S, E or W, the mob doesn't use a certain ability, that is exploiting? I don't think so.


After doing this zone and mob many times, it has nothing to do with using terrain to hide from the mob, which I don't even think that is wrong. It is strictly how you position her, as in which direction she is facing. The "script" is programmed for her to use cocoons if facing a certain direction, and they have it such that as long as she is not facing that direction, she does not use cocoons.

I'm sorry, but they have known about this for a very long time and according to the enforcers of the rules, it is not an exploit.

Also, you are ASSuming that he asked his GM friends, how do you know he didn't ask a developer?

I will take a GM's opinion over yours anyday, when it comes to what is and is not against the rules in EQ2.

Githil

You would take the word of a GM, the same GM's that banned someone on Kithicor for duo'ing a x4, because he used game mechanics to do so? Mechanics which all spell casters in RoK use? You sir are dumb.

Dev's know about exploits all the time, it takes them time to get some fixed as it might be tied to a lot of different parts of the game code. Some Dev's over look exploits so their live guilds can make use of them. And if you don't believe that, wow, just wow.

crayme

Well, if GMs don't say it is not an exploit and the Dev's that undoubtedly know about this particular issue do not come out and say it is an exploit, then it is obviously not an exploit in their opinion. I doubt very seriously they are going to ban someone over something when they have a copy of a petition that gave them the OK and saying it is not an exploit, provided by their own employees.

Besides, if they decided to start banning over this, which is not a Fing exploit as you can still get cocoons, they would be banning dozens upon dozens of entire guilds.

There is no leet manipulation of the mob to make this happen. If you don't know exactly what is being done, then STFU.

Slips

I doubt the ability to fight w/out coccoons is an exploit, because it just relies on raid placement, not hiding behind a wall, x/y positioning, etc. If you can avoid an annoying part of a trivial encounter anyway, why not save yourself the frustration?

Faelgalad

Could someone make me a wiser person pls.
Which direction and formation to circumvent the cocoon?